Homosexuals, Disease, etc

STDs on rise among gay men,” UPI, 6 July 2005, http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=94339… (from Drudge Report).

Stupid, ahistorical behavior => terrible, ahistorical plague.

 

Sexually transmitted diseases, especially syphilis, have become more common among gay men as the fear of AIDS has declined.

 

The article goes on to cite contributing factors, which would barely be a problem if not for the main problem. Not that this is new

2002 New HIV Diagnoses

23 thoughts on “Homosexuals, Disease, etc”

  1. I was going to comment that I'm amazed at how many people still practice unsafe sex but then I remembered that I didn't learn what 'safe sex' exactly meant until after I'd graduated from high school. But still, you think you'd know better than to have unprotected sex with a stranger at a nightclub after shooting meth.

  2. Just think, under the coming theocracy, you'd have never learned! Because your parents would be too mortified to discuss the issue with their children, and they'll be damned if the schools will!

    Society's ills soon melt away! Rejoice!

  3. Stupid, ahistorical behavior => terrible, ahistorical plague.

    Excuse me? What is stupid about being gay? How exactly is it “ahistorical” as it's existed among people and animals from the beginning of time. And since when are solely homosexuals responsible for STDs. That's simply a ridiculous statement.

  4. Chirol, if you read TDAXP's first two posts on homosexuality you read his evidence which he argues homosexuality (as in a grown individual sexual interested with another grown individual of the same sex) is a realitivly modern invention.
    Remember, at first the homosexual movement stated homosexuality was a choice. If you have any old encyclopedias they will state that the leading theory of homosexuality is a choice. (Even my liberal World Book from 1988 states that).
    I think TDAXP meant gays are not solely responsible for STDs, what he means is homosexual behavior is making the AIDS crisis much more worse than it has to be in the West. (Just like how cultural problems of complete male sexual dominance in Africa has made AIDS a world issue).

  5. Aaron,

    Serious or sarcastic? WIth you it can be hard to tell.

    Chirol,

    “What is stupid about being gay?”

    The same thing that is stupid about driving in the wrong lane at 200 km/h (in real life, not in the Tatu song).

    It shortens life expectency dramatically, while putting many others at risk.

    “How exactly is it “ahistorical” …”

    Catholicgauze handled that question well. The posts he was referencing are at

    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2004/12/14/derbyshire_s_homophobia.html

    and

    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/04/22/homosexualism_v_homosexuality.html

    How is homosexualism ahistorical? Simple: it did not historically exist

  6. Its not homosexuality qua homosexuality that is spreading HIV, its unprotected sex and homosexual sex in America happens to be unprotected more often than heterosexual sex.

    I'm not sure where you're getting your information that “homosexualism” or male preference for men instead of women (why not just use the word 'gay?) does not exist historically. The quotes you made from John Derbyshire in your referenced posts don't seem to indicate that he holds this position. Where is this coming from?

    There seems to be pretty good anthropological, historical and biological evidence that gay men have been around for thousands of years, often in egalitarian relationships. What's your evidence against this?

  7. Adam,

    Your first paragraph is correct. Exactly as saying “Handling rot doesn't spread the Black Death, insects passing blood between vermin and humans spread the Black Death.”

    To your second…

    “There seems to be pretty good anthropological, historical and biological evidence that gay men have been around for thousands of years, often in egalitarian relationships. What's your evidence against this?”

    Where is this evidence?

    Every pre-modern historical case I know of falls into pedophilia, ephebophilia, or faute-de-mieux. None match the modern use of the word homosexualist.

    While the tactical genius of homosexualists in hijacking the word “gay” is to be applauded, the language should not be so debased…

  8. HIV has never been detected in a human being. The so-called “infections” you are talking about, are acutally diagnoses, and these have ever-changing, complicated (and some say bigoted) conditions. The two most popular tests, the Western Blot and the Elisa are both simply anti-body tests, they do not test the presence of any virus. http://www.aliveandwell.org Homosexuals do not necessarily have more unprotected sex, but they do necessarily use more immune supressing drugs, such as poppers, because they relax muscles and the anus. It is the use of drugs that particularly interest homosexuals that we should be most concerned about. I've known many homosexuals, nearly all of which were religious condom users, but I don't think if you're constantly using a drug roughly equivalent to a organ transplant surgery-level immune supressent on a weekly or daily basis that you should be surprised that you “got AIDS”. The same goes for factor 8-using hemophiliacs. Other immune supressants are constant exposure to disease and filth, which is what is really going on in Africa. Throwing rubbers at A) habitual users of dangerous drugs or B) people without toilets or clean water is getting pretty silly.

  9. the solution is that everyone should turn lesbian.

    hey, aren't most hiv transmissions around the world passed through heterosexual contact? and, um, aren't theocons around america trying to block schools from teaching the stuff that would prevent homosexuals (and heterosexuals) from getting stds?

    and, um, aren't the theocons also trying to undermine the same-sex marriage laws and the civil union legislations that would lead to lesbian/gay stability and thus lead to less promiscuity among homosexuals?

    calling the behavior stupid without taking a good hard look at the causes of the stupid behavior is, well, stupid.

  10. Viri are absolutely never diagnosed through direct detection, they are far too small to identify in routine tests. All tests for viral diseases are based on detecting secondary factors, usually the antibodies produced in response to the virus.

  11. Nora,

    Thank you for stopping by.

    “the solution is that everyone should turn lesbian.”

    Well, such is impossible for half of our population…

    More seriously, sapphism and homosexualism are different conditions. It does not make much sense to view then as analogous to each other. Certainly they were not viewed the same historically! The Puritans, for instance, gave capital punishment to homosexualists while convicted sapphists only of “lewdness.”

    “hey, aren't most hiv transmissions around the world passed through heterosexual contact?”

    An irrelevent misdirection. Such a figure would include the countries of Africa, which are in the backward retrograde cultures that have little relevance for those with even basic infrastructure.

    In a developed country — the United States — an absolute majority of new HIV cases come from homosexualists. This inspite of homosexualism being a tiny minority.

    ” and, um, aren't theocons around america trying to block schools from teaching the stuff that would prevent homosexuals (and heterosexuals) from getting stds?”

    Unlikely, as they generally oppose denormalizing homosexualism.

    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/04/20/vertical_homosexualism_v_horizontal_antihomosexualism.html

    Further, as Flit(tm) said in another thread

    “Sex that involves tissue tearing creates greater opportunities for infection. That's just biology. Anal sex common among homosexuals and dry vaginal sex common in Africa are both associated objectively with higher incidence of tissue tearing. The idea that homosexual sex is just as safe as regular heterosexual sex is simply not true biologically.”

    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/07/07/adam-on-homosexuality.html#c163673

    “and, um, aren't the theocons also trying to undermine the same-sex marriage laws and the civil union legislations that would lead to lesbian/gay stability and thus lead to less promiscuity among homosexuals?”

    I would assume that while an absolute majority of new HIV cases come from homosexualists, only a small minority of them would come from sapphists. Assuming that..

    The catastrohpic prosicuity rates among homosexualists is much, much higher than has been observed in any (as far as I know) sizeable heterosexual population over an extended period. Given that, a “civil union” that is essentailly merely a collection of contract and power-of-attorney law would be unlikely to significantly reduce that rate.

    “calling the behavior stupid without taking a good hard look at the causes of the stupid behavior is, well, stupid.”

    Indeed. Which is why I've taken looks at stopping behavior at its root as well.

    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/04/21/denormalization_from_license_to_explicit_horizontal_control.html

  12. …and it would probably never occur to so many that making same-sex marriage LEGAL would cut down on promiscuousness among homosexuals?

    What is really keeping a homosexual couple together? I mean, seriously. Society does absolutely nothing to keep them together and everything they can to make it as difficult as possible for them to have a relationship because it is so down on “homosexual behavior”.

    You might want to think about that a bit. If society really started supporting these couples, what impact would that have on their relationship?

    I have a bit of knowledge about this, being in a gay relationship for 30 years now (and now the gay bashing will probably start). And after all the crap we have gone through, we are still together because there were so many times that all we had was each other. And left and right, we see straight couples getting a divorce because they “can't communicate” or some other lame reason.

    We have more sanctity in our relationship than most straight couples will ever realize, legal or not.

  13. Bill,

    Thank you for the post. I appreciate you as a commenter.

    “…and it would probably never occur to so many that making same-sex marriage LEGAL would cut down on promiscuousness among homosexuals?”

    Changing the definition of marriage to include man-man relationships would not significantly cut down on promiscuousness among homosexuals. As I said before, their promiscuity rate is very, very, very high. Higher, I would wager, than in any heterosexual culture were marriage has been forbidden. Making certain legal arrangements easier through less paperwork (that is, civil marriage) would not change that.

    “What is really keeping a homosexual couple together? I mean, seriously. Society does absolutely nothing to keep them together and everything they can to make it as difficult as possible for them to have a relationship because it is so down on “homosexual behavior”.”

    The culture does a lot to fuel homosexualism. It creates the alientation that leads to socially ostracizing behavior. But humans are social animals, and it is not surprising that generally that even consciously and unconsciously self-selecting folk form their own societies to find warmth and love.

    This is why some cultures find themselves with homosexualism, and some don't.

    “You might want to think about that a bit. If society really started supporting these couples, what impact would that have on their relationship?”

    I already blogged on a marginal analysis of this question.

    http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/04/12/libertarian_antihomosexualism.html

    “I have a bit of knowledge about this, being in a gay relationship for 30 years now (and now the gay bashing will probably start).”

    No, it won't. You are welcome here.

    “And after all the crap we have gone through, we are still together because there were so many times that all we had was each other. And left and right, we see straight couples getting a divorce because they “can't communicate” or some other lame reason.

    We have more sanctity in our relationship than most straight couples will ever realize, legal or not.”

    Perhaps, if “sanctity” is the right word…

    But then, the sampling in this analysis isn't random, is it?

  14. I'm just curious as to how you would back up this claim:

    “Changing the definition of marriage to include man-man relationships would not significantly cut down on promiscuousness among homosexuals.”

    I don't know where you'd find empirical data. Perhaps in a few years we can see how legalized marriage for homosexualists affects the Canadian AIDS/HIV transmission rate?

    In heterosexual relationships, state-and-religion-sponsored monogamy significantly cuts down on promiscuity. From studies I have seen in Men's Health and read in WebMD forums, infidelity occurs in 10-25% of marriages.

    Voluntarily constraining the one-to-many relationsips to one-to-one relationships would have an alarming effect on a mathematical simulation of transmission. I'd wager the effect would be near exponential.

    If I were a better computer scientist and a better mathematician, I'd figure it out. Maybe I'll get bored and give her a go.

  15. THIS MY FIRST AND I MUST SAY MY LAST TIME TO VISIT THIS WEB SITE. I HAVE NEVER IN ALL MY BORN DAYS READ SO MANY STUPD AND NARROW MINDED BLOGS IN MY LIFE!!
    LET ME ET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON A FEW THINGS.
    FIRST THE BLOG ABOUT HOW THERE ARE THOSE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE HAPPY ABOUT THE USA BEING FORCED TO OBEY INTERNATIONAL LAWS, WELL GUESS WHAT FOLKS, WE THINK WE HAVE THE NERVE TO PUSH OUR BS DOWN THE WORLDS THROAT, BUT, WHEN THE WORLD TRIES TO BRING INTO LINE WE CRY FOUL, WE ARE THE FIRST NATION TO USE THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL TO ENFORCE OUR WAY ON OTHER COUNTRIES, WE ARE THE FIRST TO ENCAGE IN WAR FARE TO TRY MAKE THE REST OF THE WORLD FALL IN LINE WITH US, MAY I ASK WHERE IN THE HELL DO WE GETOFF.
    AMERICAN ALSO SEEM TO FORGET THAT THEY ARE THE INVADES TO AMERICA HAVING KILLED THOUSANDS OF MY PEOPLE AND THEN PLACING MY PEOPLE ON CONTROLED RESERVATIONS AND IN THE NAME OF THEIR WHITE GOD AND HIS BULLSHIT, THEY JUSTIFY EVERYTHING THEY DO IN THEIR GODS NAME NO MATTER HOW SATANIC IT IS.
    THEY THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SET BACK AND JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE WHEN IT IS THEY WHO SHOULD BE ON TRAIL.
    AMERICA USED TO BE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE BEFORE WHITE MAN AND HIS UNHOLY GOS ARRIVED.
    AND AMERICA WELL CONTINUE GET WORSE HAS LONG THERE ARE SICK PEOPLE LIKE THOSE HERE STILL ALIVE.
    WE NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN TO OUR KNEES, AMERICA NEEDS TO FALL!!!!

  16. BERRY JACK
    well said…
    I am saddened by the numbers of people who are made to feel that just because they were different as teenagers that it means that they are gay., and by the way, I had that name first, but to look better I had to put an e on the end..
    Many bright kids are different we think differently, so are often not interested in the rough sports, and prefer music and the arts but it doesnt mean that they are gay.. Thousands of men are coming out of homosexuality but the media wont print it, they are now finding that if a child has not had a very good relationship with his father or hasnt a father at all that ome go looking to recoupe that relationship, and it then sometimes pushes them towards a man, and the friendship that he feels he thinks is sex.. I love my girlfriends but I sure wouldnt hop into bed with them.. Once upon a time before homosexuality was so pushed, a person would not know much about it and they would get married and 99% would so called live happily ever after.. but now days if they are a bit different they wonder if it is because they are gay, so they go that way, perhaps this is why so many are coming out of homosexuality.. They try to tell homosexuals that that is it, they are made like that and there is no hope of changing when you want out, but from what i have read there is.
    I am just so glad that homosexuality wasnt so pronounced 30 years ago as I am different and was lucky to marry an intellegent man who could keep up with me, and we have beautiful children and most of our friends are also very intellegent and different, now my husband teaches bright children and helps them to cope with their intellect so as they dont fall into these pitfalls..

  17. Perhaps if homosexuals knew that their life span is expected to be 20 years less than hetrosexuals, it might help them to rethink.. plus the disease of homosexuals is increasing at an alarming rate, and 8 new viruses/diseases have emerged in the past few years from homosexuals.

    At least 8 new sexually transmitted germs were identified, where did they come from and WHY???

    It appears that there is an increasing number of new viruses and diseases appearing. .. There is a pattern here that we ignore at our peril, Throughout history, the major civilizations and major religions condemned homosexuality, the life of the law is not only logic but centuries of experience…

    Infectious Diseases are a plight of homosexuals.

    Even after washing, the smell, faeces, germs, viruses stay in the pores and folds of the penis hrs after the act, collecting and passing it on as they go.

    Homosexuals rode into the dawn of sexual freedom and returned with multiple plagues that may very well destroy most of them. Those who treat AIDS patients are at great risk of accidents, but also from TB and new strains of other diseases. At least 8 new sexually transmitted germs were identified between 1980 and 1997. Dr. Max Essex, chair of the Harvard AIDS Institute, warned Congress in 1992 that “AIDS has already led to other kinds of dangerous epidemics.
    Perhaps one of the many reasons that homosexuals die younger is the below….
    homosexuals are a medical horror story – imagine exchanging saliva, feces, semen and/or blood with dozens of different men each year. Imagine drinking urine, ingesting feces and experiencing rectal trauma on a regular basis
    Try looking up …Homosexuality and Infectious Diseases: Bedfellows

    here is a sample..
    In the mid-20th century, male homosexuals constituted about 8% of men afflicted with anal cancer; by the mid-1980s, this figure had risen to 72%.

    During 1982-1989, MSM constituted less than 10% of individuals with hepatitis-A. (5) During the first 6 months of 1991, 29% of the hepatitis-A cases in Denver, 66% in New York City, 50% in San Francisco, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal,

    It hardly needs mentioning who gets rectal gonorrhoea. Homosexuals also get gonorrhoea in the penis (urethral gonorrhoea) and mouth (pharyngeal gonorrhoea).

    Parasitic intestinal infections are common among homosexuals; they result from the consumption of faecal material via rimming and other sexual practices (see here). A sexual transmission of typhoid, and a first of its kind in the U.S., occurred among a group of male homosexuals in 2000 .. etc etc

  18. Gaye is correct on the harm of normalizing homosexualitiy. I’ve previously written on this by focusing on those who become practicing homosexuals [1], though Gaye makes a goodpoint about how homosexuality leads to a formalization and ritualization of masculine behavior, to the detriment of those who don’t follow the forms and rituals. (My impression is there is much more physical closeness among males in societies where male homosexuality is unheard of.)

    That said, there is a difference between social sanctions and legal sanctions. I’m opposed to sodomy laws, as I am opposed to raids of polygamist compounds. [2]

    [1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/01/10/denormalization.html
    [2] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html

  19. I was encouraged to see some intelligent flow of conversation with no name-calling in a blog post.

    As of late I have observed a pattern of normalizing homosexuality and creating terms such as “heterosexism” and “homophobia” to advance the thought patterns of homosexuality being a respectful lifestyle alternative. Those who disagree for whatever reason are not always understood and sometimes stigmatized as a bigot or homophobic.

    As most of you already know, there is a new wave regarding homosexuality that is not asking to be tolerated. They do not simply want to be left alone. They are asking for acceptance. To be viewed as normal. Unfortunately, those who disagree with this viewpoint are viewed as prejudiced and narrowminded. This is an area of concern.

    I have heard from several people that the homosexual lifestyle is seriously harmful to one’s health as many of you have commented. I would greatly appreciate some credible resources on where to locate this information what kind of repercussions this may have on a society. Most of what I run in to are opinion polls.

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