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		<title>By:  Larry Dunbar </title>
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		<dc:creator> Larry Dunbar </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Nice, I can now look (at least I think I can) at induction networks and flux as constructive and deconstructive frequencies. I knew induction had something to do with frequencies, but I couldn&#039;t &quot;see&quot; how it could work. Then, I suppose that is what constructivism is about.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I am not sure teaching is the correct word. Maybe it could be said that I push you ahead while you drag me in your wake. You are able to see ahead and I am able to see what you left behind. Of course because you move so much faster than me that is the only way it could work. We are connected by constructive and destructive frequencies. Typical OODA induction loop. It is like the old joke: a bear is chasing two guys. The guy in the lead doesn&#039;t have to out run the bear, only the guy behind him. When you are inside someones OODA loop, you only have to out run the person, not the flow of kinetic energy that is potentially destructive.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, I can now look (at least I think I can) at induction networks and flux as constructive and deconstructive frequencies. I knew induction had something to do with frequencies, but I couldn&#39;t &#8220;see&#8221; how it could work. Then, I suppose that is what constructivism is about.</p>
<p> I am not sure teaching is the correct word. Maybe it could be said that I push you ahead while you drag me in your wake. You are able to see ahead and I am able to see what you left behind. Of course because you move so much faster than me that is the only way it could work. We are connected by constructive and destructive frequencies. Typical OODA induction loop. It is like the old joke: a bear is chasing two guys. The guy in the lead doesn&#39;t have to out run the bear, only the guy behind him. When you are inside someones OODA loop, you only have to out run the person, not the flow of kinetic energy that is potentially destructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Larry, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Your comment&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;Maybe it could be said that I push you ahead while you drag me in your wake. You are able to see ahead and I am able to see what you left behind. O&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Reminds me of a passage from Chet Richards&#039; &quot;Neither Shall the Sword [1] (pg 81-82)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; A way out comes from the same philosophy of conflict that gives shape to maneuver warfare.  All successful instances of this philosophy depend on some type of &quot;pull&quot; mechanism.  Let me explain.  In maneuver warfare itself, the primary tool for employing forces is &quot;reconnaissance pull.&quot;  The idea is that the flow of the action itself will create opportunities that will pull forces into exploit them, assuming that these forces can spot them in time -- ie, that they are operating inside their opponents&#039; OODA &quot;loops.&quot;  The contrary tactic pushes forces toward what their commander hopes will be the decisive points or centers of gravity.  And in business, the Toyota Production System rests on the same pull philosophy, where operations pull components from earlier processes only when they are needed, that is, just in time.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; At the other end of the scape of conflict, the underlying basis of grad strategy is a vision of the future so noble that it helps us attract the uncommitted, the ideally elements of, your opponents forces and society to our cause.  In other words, we try to pull people over to our side of the conflict, realizing tat we may have to deal with an incorrigible hard core through unpleasant military means.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; In all areas of human conflict and competition, pull is a more reliable mechanism for most purposes than push.  Everybody resents being shoved, but most people don&#039;t mind being attracted.  This may suggest a grand strategy of pulling Gap entities, states as well as others, into the Core, but retaining the capability to use containment, retaliation and preemption on rare and specific occasions to eliminate dangers that we are not willing to risk, such as an imminent threat of nuclear terrorism.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Thoughts?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; (And when you say, &quot;When you are inside someones OODA loop, you only have to out run the person, not the flow of kinetic energy that is potentially destructive.,&quot; I agree completely)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/02/10/review-center-for-chet-richards-neither-shall-the-sword.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/02/10/review-center-for-chet-richards-neither-shall-the-sword.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, </p>
<p> Your comment</p>
<p> &#8220;Maybe it could be said that I push you ahead while you drag me in your wake. You are able to see ahead and I am able to see what you left behind. O&#8221;</p>
<p> Reminds me of a passage from Chet Richards&#39; &#8220;Neither Shall the Sword [1] (pg 81-82)</p>
<p> A way out comes from the same philosophy of conflict that gives shape to maneuver warfare.  All successful instances of this philosophy depend on some type of &#8220;pull&#8221; mechanism.  Let me explain.  In maneuver warfare itself, the primary tool for employing forces is &#8220;reconnaissance pull.&#8221;  The idea is that the flow of the action itself will create opportunities that will pull forces into exploit them, assuming that these forces can spot them in time &#8212; ie, that they are operating inside their opponents&#39; OODA &#8220;loops.&#8221;  The contrary tactic pushes forces toward what their commander hopes will be the decisive points or centers of gravity.  And in business, the Toyota Production System rests on the same pull philosophy, where operations pull components from earlier processes only when they are needed, that is, just in time.</p>
<p> At the other end of the scape of conflict, the underlying basis of grad strategy is a vision of the future so noble that it helps us attract the uncommitted, the ideally elements of, your opponents forces and society to our cause.  In other words, we try to pull people over to our side of the conflict, realizing tat we may have to deal with an incorrigible hard core through unpleasant military means.</p>
<p> In all areas of human conflict and competition, pull is a more reliable mechanism for most purposes than push.  Everybody resents being shoved, but most people don&#39;t mind being attracted.  This may suggest a grand strategy of pulling Gap entities, states as well as others, into the Core, but retaining the capability to use containment, retaliation and preemption on rare and specific occasions to eliminate dangers that we are not willing to risk, such as an imminent threat of nuclear terrorism.&#8221;</p>
<p> Thoughts?</p>
<p> (And when you say, &#8220;When you are inside someones OODA loop, you only have to out run the person, not the flow of kinetic energy that is potentially destructive.,&#8221; I agree completely)</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/02/10/review-center-for-chet-richards-neither-shall-the-sword.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/02/10/review-center-for-chet-richards-neither-shall-the-sword.html</a></p>
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		<title>By:  Larry Dunbar </title>
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		<dc:creator> Larry Dunbar </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I believe Dr. Richards and I are talking about the same thing, flux. Dr. Richards is making a good point about how we respond to flow. Natural flow is from an area of high potential (negative charge) to one of low potential (positive charge), such as your water flowing down a mountain. This could also be called pulling the mass from an elevation and letting it flow to a lower elevation. When we encounter flow in the other direction, pushing water up the mountain, while it can be done, it kind goes against the charater of the mass. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I think flux is simply flow without mass. Changing flux causes movement of mass, either by pushing or pulling. When inside someones OODA loop you are dealing with flow of implicit rule-sets, changing those rules causes the movement of mass (kinetic energy) hopefully in the right direction.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Dr. Richards and I are talking about the same thing, flux. Dr. Richards is making a good point about how we respond to flow. Natural flow is from an area of high potential (negative charge) to one of low potential (positive charge), such as your water flowing down a mountain. This could also be called pulling the mass from an elevation and letting it flow to a lower elevation. When we encounter flow in the other direction, pushing water up the mountain, while it can be done, it kind goes against the charater of the mass. </p>
<p> I think flux is simply flow without mass. Changing flux causes movement of mass, either by pushing or pulling. When inside someones OODA loop you are dealing with flow of implicit rule-sets, changing those rules causes the movement of mass (kinetic energy) hopefully in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;&quot;I think flux is simply flow without mass. Changing flux causes movement of mass, either by pushing or pulling. When inside someones OODA loop you are dealing with flow of implicit rule-sets, changing those rules causes the movement of mass (kinetic energy) hopefully in the right direction.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; It took me a long time to comprehend Larry&#039;s words, but I think they are right on.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The 4GW must be concerned with the modulation of his correlation of forces -- their amplitude, frequency, and phase.  It is a great advantage for him to experience constructive interference from an ongoing 5GW, so that the power of the 4GW -- his correlation of forces -- can remain positive even as the three aspects of modulation vary.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; More on this over at Dreaming 5GW: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/the_militaryindustrial_complex.php#comment-2154&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/the_militaryindustrial_complex.php#comment-2154&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think flux is simply flow without mass. Changing flux causes movement of mass, either by pushing or pulling. When inside someones OODA loop you are dealing with flow of implicit rule-sets, changing those rules causes the movement of mass (kinetic energy) hopefully in the right direction.&#8221;</p>
<p> It took me a long time to comprehend Larry&#39;s words, but I think they are right on.</p>
<p> The 4GW must be concerned with the modulation of his correlation of forces &#8212; their amplitude, frequency, and phase.  It is a great advantage for him to experience constructive interference from an ongoing 5GW, so that the power of the 4GW &#8212; his correlation of forces &#8212; can remain positive even as the three aspects of modulation vary.</p>
<p> More on this over at Dreaming 5GW: </p>
<p> <a href="http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/the_militaryindustrial_complex.php#comment-2154" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/the_militaryindustrial_complex.php#comment-2154</a></p>
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