Not In Spaces But Between Them: The Geometry of Yog-Sothoth

The American horror writer Howard Phillips Lovecraft is a favorite of tdaxp. His writings has been used humorously to illustrate Chinese and American censorship, while his work is an anchor of “Dreaming 5th Generation War.” So I was delighted when Catholicgauze snet me “From Beyond: H.P. Lovecraft and the Place of Horror” by Dr. James Kneale of University College London.

The article is quite good and worth reading, but makes Catholicgauze ask: “But where exactly is the between space?

Good question!

Continue reading for a discussion on charts and hyperspace

First, three descriptions of from .

In The Dunwich Horror:

Nor is it to be thought (ran the text as Armitage mentally translated it) that man is either the oldest or the last of earth’s masters, or that the common bulk of life and substance walks alone. The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be. Not in the spaces we know, but between them, they walk serene and primal, undimensioned and to us unseen. Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They had trod earth’s fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread.

In Through the Gates of the Silver Key

In the face of that awful wonder, the quasi-Carter forgot the horror of destroyed individuality. It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self – not merely a thing of one space-time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole unbounded sweep – the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of Earth had whispered of as Yog-Sothoth, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable sign – yet in a flash the Carter-facet realized how slight and fractional all these conceptions are.

In The Horror in the Museum

Imagination called up the shocking form of fabulous Yog-Sothoth – only a congeries of iridescent globes, yet stupendous in its malign suggestiveness.

The answer is that space is not a thing, but the qualities of things. Yog-Sothoth lives not in things but in their natures.

For instance, imagine two pointsin space. Simplistically:


But such a representation is semantically meaningless. No relationship between two points are given — we don’t even know if they are in the same universe, if one exists and the other is imaginary, or anything! So let’s define a relationship between the two points: one is immediately after the other.


To get a fuller picture, let’s also illustrate the point immediately before it. This gives us a basic one-dimensional, linear universe.


Now add the points above and below it. Because we now have two dimensions, points will not be identified by two numbers (“co-ordinates”) to identify the spaces.


We humans, who live in spaces, exist in the blue points. And Yog-Sothoth exists between spaces.


In a simple two-dimensional world, Yog-Sothoth lives the circles between spaces. Add another dimension of existence (say, depth), and Yog-Sothoths abodes would be spherical. Add a fourth (say, time) and Yog-Sothoth’s palaces would be hyperspherical, only visable to us as a series of spheres. Which is exactly how HP Lovecraft describes them.

A Visualization of a Hypersphere
The Appearance of Yog-Sothoth

Yog-Sothoth is Quality, he is Friction, he is the Sea of Friction.

Of course, Yogsothothism is not the only hyperdimensional faith.

Identifying 5GWarriors

Initiating 5GW,” by Curtis Weeks, Phatic Communion, 14 March 2006, (from ZenPundit).

Following the revival on Generational Warfare and the OODA Loop sparked by posts at Coming Anarchy and Mountain Runner, Curtis from Phatic Communion writes a critical post on 5GW. The break-out line:

So, then, how could a hidden 5GW force defeat a fuzzy 4GW force? Influence it to fight another force, one it already despises — and, preferably, one it cannot defeat. Or, introduce dispute within it, of the sort that would paralyze its activities, create massive amounts of in-fighting. Or, befriend it; give it real accomplishments (perhaps by surreptitiously influencing other parties who can give them these) which, nonetheless, lead to final outcomes quite different than it originally intended. Because a 4GW force tends to be decentralized, dependent on local actors and local activities, focus on influencing them. Do not try to destroy the 4GW force; focus on changing it.

This allows us to identity future 5GW forces.

And historical ones too. For instance, here’s one:


To break down Curtis list of 5GW tactics in defeat 4GW enemies

  • Turn 4GW against another 4GW
  • Turn 4GW against itself
  • Engorge 4GW

All of which can be summarized as change the 4GW force.

In the late 1960s and 1970s, America was blighted by nascent 4GW enemies. Politico-terrorist organizations like the American Indian Movement, the Black Panther Party, and Students for a Democratic Society / Weather Underground Organization. Faced with a panoply of New Left 4GW insurgencies, the federal government wisely responded with a 5GW counter-blitz.

The liberation of the United States from the militants was the work of the FBI’s Counter Intelligent Program, or COINTELPRO.

Director J. Edgar Hoover’s orders, to “expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize” internal enemies, all center around changing the enemy force into something much weaker.

I strongly recommend that all read Curtis’s post with COINTELPRO in mind. Curtis does an amazing job in making concrete much of 5GW theory. It is a great stride forward in our understanding of the evolving nature of conflict.

A final note: the existence of COINTELPRO was eventually revealed, but by that time it was too late. The 5GWarriors had already won. Even last gasps of internal resistance, the 1GW plodding of the Church Committee, were unable to undo the accomplishments of the 5GWarriors. Events had already been influenced.