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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14914</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Catholicgauze -- Ask.com is an odd duck! [1] [2]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Sean -- yup... and on the same day that Google made an upgrade, too. [3]  Still, if Google is preparing a &quot;Pearl Habor&quot; for Microsoft [4], I hope it succeeds.  Whether Microsoft or Google wins doesn&#039;t matter so much.  Whether consumers -- and openness -- wins matters a great deal.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Mike -- we&#039;ll do our best to move Spooky Action [5] up to #1&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Aaron -- For an example of the difference in behavior for the search engines, take the search &quot;are americans hyperactive neanderthals? site:tdaxp.com&quot;  Live search [6] brings you to the right page [7] immediately, while Google takes you to the bloated category page.  [8]  Live saves me time and effort: I like it!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/10/ask-com-s-asymmetric-strategy-attack-bloggers-butters-up-mag.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/10/ask-com-s-asymmetric-strategy-attack-bloggers-butters-up-mag.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/20/ask-com-blacklists-catholicgauze.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/20/ask-com-blacklists-catholicgauze.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [3] &lt;a href=&quot;http://seanmeade.blogspot.com/2006/09/catching-up.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://seanmeade.blogspot.com/2006/09/catching-up.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [4] &lt;a href=&quot;http://platformwars.blogspot.com/2006/03/writely-microsofts-pearl-harbor.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://platformwars.blogspot.com/2006/03/writely-microsofts-pearl-harbor.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [5] &lt;a href=&quot;http://spookyaction.blogspot.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://spookyaction.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [6] &lt;a href=&quot;http://beta.search.live.com/results.aspx?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&amp;sourceid=Mozilla-search&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://beta.search.live.com/results.aspx?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&amp;sourceid=Mozilla-search&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [7] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/20/are-americans-hyperactive-neanderthals.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/20/are-americans-hyperactive-neanderthals.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [8] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&amp;start=0&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/search?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&amp;start=0&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholicgauze &#8212; Ask.com is an odd duck! [1] [2]</p>
<p> Sean &#8212; yup&#8230; and on the same day that Google made an upgrade, too. [3]  Still, if Google is preparing a &#8220;Pearl Habor&#8221; for Microsoft [4], I hope it succeeds.  Whether Microsoft or Google wins doesn&#39;t matter so much.  Whether consumers &#8212; and openness &#8212; wins matters a great deal.</p>
<p> Mike &#8212; we&#39;ll do our best to move Spooky Action [5] up to #1</p>
<p> Aaron &#8212; For an example of the difference in behavior for the search engines, take the search &#8220;are americans hyperactive neanderthals? site:tdaxp.com&#8221;  Live search [6] brings you to the right page [7] immediately, while Google takes you to the bloated category page.  [8]  Live saves me time and effort: I like it!</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/10/ask-com-s-asymmetric-strategy-attack-bloggers-butters-up-mag.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/10/ask-com-s-asymmetric-strategy-attack-bloggers-butters-up-mag.html</a><br /> [2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/20/ask-com-blacklists-catholicgauze.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/20/ask-com-blacklists-catholicgauze.html</a><br /> [3] <a href="http://seanmeade.blogspot.com/2006/09/catching-up.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://seanmeade.blogspot.com/2006/09/catching-up.html</a><br /> [4] <a href="http://platformwars.blogspot.com/2006/03/writely-microsofts-pearl-harbor.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://platformwars.blogspot.com/2006/03/writely-microsofts-pearl-harbor.html</a><br /> [5] <a href="http://spookyaction.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://spookyaction.blogspot.com/</a><br /> [6] <a href="http://beta.search.live.com/results.aspx?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&#038;sourceid=Mozilla-search" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://beta.search.live.com/results.aspx?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&#038;sourceid=Mozilla-search</a><br /> [7] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/20/are-americans-hyperactive-neanderthals.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/08/20/are-americans-hyperactive-neanderthals.html</a><br /> [8] <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&#038;start=0&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=are+americans+hyperactive+neanderthals%3F+site%3Atdaxp.com&#038;start=0&#038;ie=utf-8&#038;oe=utf-8&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14913</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Aaron,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; That would undoubtably solve a lot of personal issues for me, but it&#039;s not exactly what I was after. The two sites that outrank me at Google and MS are very different in nature.  With Google it&#039;s an article by physics professor Gary Felder.  With MS, it&#039;s the home page for the Spooky Action theater.  Each of them appears at about #5 when the other is the first entry.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I&#039;m just doing my Rodney Dangerfield routine!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Mike&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p> That would undoubtably solve a lot of personal issues for me, but it&#39;s not exactly what I was after. The two sites that outrank me at Google and MS are very different in nature.  With Google it&#39;s an article by physics professor Gary Felder.  With MS, it&#39;s the home page for the Spooky Action theater.  Each of them appears at about #5 when the other is the first entry.</p>
<p> I&#39;m just doing my Rodney Dangerfield routine!</p>
<p> Mike</p>
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		<title>By: aaron </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14912</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;So, whether or not your own site ranks higher in results is your test for validity?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; In that case, I am going to create a search engine that returns your website no matter the search query.  Then you can tout it here :)&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, whether or not your own site ranks higher in results is your test for validity?</p>
<p> In that case, I am going to create a search engine that returns your website no matter the search query.  Then you can tout it here <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll take your recommendation based on your stellar track record, but I&#039;m still number 2 for &quot;spooky action&quot;. Drat!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Thanks for the tip, Dan!&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll take your recommendation based on your stellar track record, but I&#39;m still number 2 for &#8220;spooky action&#8221;. Drat!</p>
<p> Thanks for the tip, Dan!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14910</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;great day in the morning! now this is news! is it possible that Micro$oft could produce better products than Google?! i will have to look into this!&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great day in the morning! now this is news! is it possible that Micro$oft could produce better products than Google?! i will have to look into this!</p>
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		<title>By: Catholicgauze </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14909</link>
		<dc:creator>Catholicgauze </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;They also link to Geographical Travels to Catholicgauze unlike the heathen liars at Ask.com&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also link to Geographical Travels to Catholicgauze unlike the heathen liars at Ask.com</p>
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		<title>By: Sean </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/15/dumping-google-and-yahoo-for-microsoft-live-search.html/comment-page-1#comment-14915</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Dan, you, with your footnotes, are a pure machine! :-)&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you, with your footnotes, are a pure machine! <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;There were so many footnotes that blogspirit thought it was spam - I had to recomment without them, and then add them through the administration panel.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; For a real taste of what I can do, read Variations of the OODA Loop. [1]  The whole thing is one footnote after another! :-p&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/30/variations-of-the-ooda-loop-1-introduction.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/30/variations-of-the-ooda-loop-1-introduction.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were so many footnotes that blogspirit thought it was spam &#8211; I had to recomment without them, and then add them through the administration panel.</p>
<p> For a real taste of what I can do, read Variations of the OODA Loop. [1]  The whole thing is one footnote after another! :-p</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/30/variations-of-the-ooda-loop-1-introduction.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/05/30/variations-of-the-ooda-loop-1-introduction.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: aaron </title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;No doubt more sites on the internets point to your categories page.  While this may not be the behaviour you desire in this special case ( do many non-blog sites have a page of links to all their pages? ) I&#039;d much rather get my #1 result as the one more people have linked to, rather than the one that &quot;feels&quot; like the right answer.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I would have a hard time judging either technically superior.  I suppose it just comes down to taste.  Again, you prefer to avoid mental exhaustion ( ala iTunes giant folder of unorganized chaos ) whereas I prefer structure to my searching.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Now, if only Live or Google would figure out that they should hash search results so they don&#039;t return 800 asshole college students posting the entire contents of the UNIX &#039;man&#039; pages on their website, then everyone will be happy.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt more sites on the internets point to your categories page.  While this may not be the behaviour you desire in this special case ( do many non-blog sites have a page of links to all their pages? ) I&#39;d much rather get my #1 result as the one more people have linked to, rather than the one that &#8220;feels&#8221; like the right answer.</p>
<p> I would have a hard time judging either technically superior.  I suppose it just comes down to taste.  Again, you prefer to avoid mental exhaustion ( ala iTunes giant folder of unorganized chaos ) whereas I prefer structure to my searching.</p>
<p> Now, if only Live or Google would figure out that they should hash search results so they don&#39;t return 800 asshole college students posting the entire contents of the UNIX &#39;man&#39; pages on their website, then everyone will be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Aaron -- I don&#039;t believe many other sites link to categories.  Technocrati [1], for instance, typically reports links to story pages.  I imagine that Google has to see the category pages as &quot;experts,&quot; as they are linked to by so many pages on the blog, while the story pages are plagiarists (because they &quot;copy&quot; a significant amount from the category pages). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; It&#039;s not quite an issue of taste -- story pages are often not included at all by google -- but both engines do return their results in a quick and speedy matter.  I have to give them both that.  (Having once written a site search engine, I&#039;m astounded by what these companies can do.)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I absolutely agree with your comments on the plagiarized man pages.  These are indexed, but not tdaxp story pages?  Incredible!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; PS: All the cool kids are using iTunes with Cover Flip&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.technorati.com/search/http://www.tdaxp.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.technorati.com/search/http://www.tdaxp.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/13/short-review-of-itunes-7-with-cover-flow.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/13/short-review-of-itunes-7-with-cover-flow.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron &#8212; I don&#39;t believe many other sites link to categories.  Technocrati [1], for instance, typically reports links to story pages.  I imagine that Google has to see the category pages as &#8220;experts,&#8221; as they are linked to by so many pages on the blog, while the story pages are plagiarists (because they &#8220;copy&#8221; a significant amount from the category pages). </p>
<p> It&#39;s not quite an issue of taste &#8212; story pages are often not included at all by google &#8212; but both engines do return their results in a quick and speedy matter.  I have to give them both that.  (Having once written a site search engine, I&#39;m astounded by what these companies can do.)</p>
<p> I absolutely agree with your comments on the plagiarized man pages.  These are indexed, but not tdaxp story pages?  Incredible!</p>
<p> PS: All the cool kids are using iTunes with Cover Flip</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.technorati.com/search/http://www.tdaxp.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.technorati.com/search/http://www.tdaxp.com</a><br /> [2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/13/short-review-of-itunes-7-with-cover-flow.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/09/13/short-review-of-itunes-7-with-cover-flow.html</a></p>
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