Comments on: Student Nature, Part III: Nature and Her Consequences http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html High-minded, fanatically malthusian perspectives Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:09:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15134 Mike Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15134 <p>Dan,<br /> <br /> Great stuff, and thanks for all the references. Don't leave out the original "people don't know what they are doing" treatise: Cialdini's "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion"!<br /> <br /> Mike</p> Dan,

Great stuff, and thanks for all the references. Don't leave out the original “people don't know what they are doing” treatise: Cialdini's “Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion”!

Mike

]]> By: Sean http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15135 Sean Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15135 <p>pop quiz, hot shot: how would you analyze the role of genetics in your own political opinions? is there a gene for 'contrarian'? 'come to your own conclusions'?</p> pop quiz, hot shot: how would you analyze the role of genetics in your own political opinions? is there a gene for 'contrarian'? 'come to your own conclusions'?

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15136 Dan tdaxp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15136 <p>Mike,<br /> <br /> Good point... but I think the original "people don't know what they are doing" treatise is Genesis 1 ;-p<br /> <br /> Sean,<br /> <br /> Reality isn't environmental-determinist, or genetic-determinist, but apparently determinist on the interaction between environment and genetics. Some things, particularly basic body parts, some diseases, etc, are caused "entirely" by genes, but most things are GxE. <br /> <br /> One of the professors who teaches our genetic factors class has wondered if radical-ness and "intensity" are as genetically influenced, as political orientation [1] and political obsession [2] seem to be. My assumption would be yes, and that political contrariness would not be strongly associated with personality.<br /> <br /> The implications of pondering the determinants of one's behavior -- whether environment, genetics, or both together -- raise interesting questions for rationality and identity. Fortunately, as rationality and identity are relatively worthless [3], it doesn't much matter! :-p<br /> <br /> [1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/11/03/the-dna-of-politics.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/11/03/the-dna-of-politics.html</a><br /> [2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/08/first-notes-on-the-hendricks-forum.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/08/first-notes-on-the-hendricks-forum.html</a><br /> [3] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/01/identity-reason-and-other-lies.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/01/identity-reason-and-other-lies.html</a></p> Mike,

Good point… but I think the original “people don't know what they are doing” treatise is Genesis 1 ;-p

Sean,

Reality isn't environmental-determinist, or genetic-determinist, but apparently determinist on the interaction between environment and genetics. Some things, particularly basic body parts, some diseases, etc, are caused “entirely” by genes, but most things are GxE.

One of the professors who teaches our genetic factors class has wondered if radical-ness and “intensity” are as genetically influenced, as political orientation [1] and political obsession [2] seem to be. My assumption would be yes, and that political contrariness would not be strongly associated with personality.

The implications of pondering the determinants of one's behavior — whether environment, genetics, or both together — raise interesting questions for rationality and identity. Fortunately, as rationality and identity are relatively worthless [3], it doesn't much matter! :-p

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/11/03/the-dna-of-politics.html
[2] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/08/first-notes-on-the-hendricks-forum.html
[3] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/01/identity-reason-and-other-lies.html

]]> By: Mike http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15137 Mike Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15137 <p>Touche.</p> Touche.

]]> By: mark safranski http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15138 mark safranski Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15138 <p>"Good point... but I think the original "people don't know what they are doing" treatise is Genesis 1 ;-p"<br /> <br /> I laughed when I read that.<br /> <br /> I'll link soon</p> “Good point… but I think the original “people don't know what they are doing” treatise is Genesis 1 ;-p”

I laughed when I read that.

I'll link soon

]]> By: Sean http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15139 Sean Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15139 <p>actually, the people were obedient until Genesis 3 [<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%203;&version=51;]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%203;&version=51;]</a> ;-)</p> actually, the people were obedient until Genesis 3 [http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15140 <p>Sean,<br /> <br /> Genesis 3:4-5<br /> <br /> ""You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.""<br /> <br /> With 3, humanity knew just a little more about what it was doing: just enough to become dangerous :-)<br /> <br /> PS: Do you use the Bible Gateway firefox search engine? [1] It's very handy.<br /> <br /> Mark,<br /> <br /> Thanks! :-)<br /> <br /> [1] <a href="http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=bible+gateway&sherlock=yes&opensearch=yes&submitform=Search" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=bible+gateway&sherlock=yes&opensearch=yes&submitform=Search</a></p> Sean,

Genesis 3:4-5

“”You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”"

With 3, humanity knew just a little more about what it was doing: just enough to become dangerous :-)

PS: Do you use the Bible Gateway firefox search engine? [1] It's very handy.

Mark,

Thanks! :-)

[1] http://mycroft.mozdev.org/download.html?name=bible+gateway&sherlock=yes&opensearch=yes&submitform=Search

]]> By: Sean http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15141 Sean Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15141 <p>yeah, i probably should have asked that as a question. didn't know if you were going for ignorant, faithful bliss or knowing, unfaithful toil ;-)<br /> <br /> naw. you don't need that search engine when you've got it memorized like me ;-)</p> yeah, i probably should have asked that as a question. didn't know if you were going for ignorant, faithful bliss or knowing, unfaithful toil ;-)

naw. you don't need that search engine when you've got it memorized like me ;-)

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15142 Dan tdaxp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15142 <p>"naw. you don't need that search engine when you've got it memorized like me ;-)"<br /> <br /> Repent ye bibliolator!<br /> <br /> Memorize not, ye, words in ink and paper, but Love, and Faith, and Hope, these three!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> (I'd've made a great prophet! :-) )</p> “naw. you don't need that search engine when you've got it memorized like me ;-) ”

Repent ye bibliolator!

Memorize not, ye, words in ink and paper, but Love, and Faith, and Hope, these three!

(I'd've made a great prophet! :-) )

]]> By: Sean http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html/comment-page-1#comment-15143 Sean Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/23/student-nature-part-iii-nature-and-her-consequences.html#comment-15143 <p>you may think i am using the word too loosely when i say sincerely that you *are* a prophet, Dan :-)</p> you may think i am using the word too loosely when i say sincerely that you *are* a prophet, Dan :-)

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