Christianity and the Military-Industrial Complex

Larry Dunbar, a polymath interested in genetics, psychology, and many other subjects has a new post synthesizing his thoughts on Christianity and the Military-Industrial Complex:

Take for instance the statement: the military/industrial complex will bring about world peace. Someone, a lot smarter than I, said something to that effect, and actually believes this to be true; it is his reality.

The real amazing thing is that this person pretends to be a follower of Jesus of Nazareth. Although I have never read the teachings of Jesus, I have been around the practitioners of Jesus all my life.

The military/industrial complex is what Howard Bloom calls a resource shifter. In Jesus’ time the moneychangers would represent them. I think Jesus had something harsh to say about moneychangers. I may have misunderstood, but I don’t think it had anything to do with world peace.

Larry is referring to my writings on Embracing-Defeat and Jesusism-Paulism. In the former series I argue that a military-industrial complex is necessary for victory in protracted struggles, and that are defeats in Vietnam, Lebanon, and Somalia are tied to a lack of a military-industrial-counter-insurgency complex. In the latter, I explain how early Christians used 4GW to conquer the Roman Empire and establish an order based on universal human dignity.

I’m interested in Larry’s thoughts, and I hope he expands on them. However, I don’t think the point he uses in his post is persuasive. Of course anything shifts resources, because anything costs. The question is whether the shifted resources are worth it. In the case of the Military-Industrial Complex the answer is a clear yes. Indeed, it’s hard to think of a more Christian task for a great nation than building one.

Thank God, truly, that we are half-way there.

9 thoughts on “Christianity and the Military-Industrial Complex”

  1. I have to admit that I had to look polymath up on the Internet. I had a feeling it would mean: man who has his head up his own posterior. Thankfully that was not the case.

    My writing in the posting that you site was really about trying to figure out what the military/industrial complex is really about. I have always found it amazing when I see people on the streets protesting the military/industrial complex when they probably would not be allowed to protest, unless America had a strong military/industrial complex. At the same time I thought it equally bazaar to hear people, such as yourself, speak of the military/industrial complex as the final say in world peace, when the first rule of the military/industrial complex has to be to keep the military/industrial complex going. I believe the military/industrial complex will sustain itself even if it has to keep war going on forever, which is really the opposite of peace.

    I think I have finally figured out what the military/industrial complex really is, within the context of a complex adaptive system. I mislabeled it as being a resource shifter inside a complex adaptive system. The military/industrial complex represents a sixth element of a complex adaptive system. I label this sixth element as a potential. I hope to write more about this and will link back to your posting when I do.

  2. Larry,

    The role of the Military-Industrial Complex is to fight majors wars — we already have a Complex to fight Leviathan-style Big Wars, and now we must build one to fight SysAdmin-style Small Wars.

    A reason the world is in such great shape — has so few Big Wars — is that we have a gerat Military-Industrial-Leviathan-Complex. A large Leviathan deters other states from challenging us, thus decreasing wars in the short term. Without a MILC this would only be a short-term gain, because people woudl become accustomed to peace, divert funds, thus inviting another state to challenge us. But the MILC’s ability to keep itself going gives the gift of peace to the future, as well.

    A reason the world is in such terrible shape — has so many Small Wars — is that we don’t have a Military-Industrial-Sysadmin-Complex. The MISC is not self-sustaining (the defense contractors we have are all MILC contractors, so would rather prepare for a Big War), thus guaranteeing us weakness in Small Wars. This invites challenges.

  3. “the defense contractors we have are all MILC contractors”

    Is that really true?

    “The MISC is not self-sustaining (the defense contractors we have are all MILC contractors”

    So the USA military in Iraq and Afghanistan are not changing so they can become MISC? 4-6 terms and they still are not changing?

    I think you need to think about your “gradiant” warfare.

  4. Larry,

    The three years since the comment you refer to are (thankfully for our country) three years of Gates at Defense.

    We are making progress…

  5. “We are making progress…”

    From your comment, I believe you have reached the same age as my wife’s youngest nephew, 17. At 17 the human male becomes the smartest he will ever be in his life. I don’t say this lightly or in a way that is meant to cause you to lose face. I am simply adding a spatial location in time and space.

    From your answer you seem to believe you have the way forward, in a historical sense, figured out, and maybe you do as any 17 year-old can tell you. If there is anything this world needs now is a level of certainty.

    However, as any 17 year-old has to learn, the day when you become the smartest that you will ever be is the same day you begin the journey in which you eventually learn how little you know, that is if you remain human and an adult human. I wish you, and possibly the world, a save journey.

    The key word in Military Industrial Leviathan Complex (MILC) is the word Complex. The MILC or in general the Military Industrial Complex is really just a complex adaptive system, which Howard Bloom describes in his book “Global Brain”. The “sixth element” as I described was really the sixth element that should have gone with the five Bloom describes: Conformity enforcer, Diversity generators, inner-judges, resource shifters, and Intergroup tournaments.

    The sixth element is the potential (potential energy) that moves the complex adaptive system from the past to the future. In war the potentials are generally fear, interest and honor. In the Military Industrial Complex that potential is growth, or as the corporate identity of want or need inside the complex adaptive system demands, the maximizing of profits.

    The profits are the advantage the complex adaptive system has in its orientation from observing its environment. The Military Industrial (and some people correctly state, as it becomes corporatized, government) complex will bring peace as long as its profits and your expectations match. As you become more and more incorporated, your expectations (peace) from the Military Industrial Complex will more closely match. You will become more profitable and the world will become more peaceful as total war comes into play.

    As warfare between humans is all generational and the Military Industrial Complex is neither a part of the human complex adaptive system nor generational in nature, the warfare will be between systems and not humans. Of course the ironic element is that humans are also the ones that will be fighting on the side of the Military Industrial Complex, so one complex adaptive system has a tremendous advantage over the other. The real trick will be for the humans to retain their advantage.

    While you seem to think the MILC will adapt and become a Military Industrial Sysadmin Complex, I am less than sure. The thing with complex adaptive systems is that they emerge out of complexity. In other words, the complex adaptive system seeks simplicity and the Leviathan represents a very simplistic way of maximizing profits. While the technology can be very complex, once learned, it simplifies any situation. Of course technology can be used to simplify the logic of Sysadmin complexity; the reality of overriding complexity with Leviathan force is always present.

    The great irony is that the human and other complex adaptive systems are living inside another complex adaptive system (the world) which appears about to make a great change. It is yet to be seen if either the human complex or the military industrial complex can survive. Also both systems are adapting in different ways. It seems to me that while the humans are looking towards some kind of messiah figure, the MIC is looking to move North and South i.e. check out Honduras and Australia. While the Gaps between complex adaptive systems are mostly East and West, the various human complex adaptive systems have decided that survival requires adaptability in both the Northern and Southern parts of the world. As I have surmised before, the people in nature have always been the same North and South, and it was only through technology that the Gaps have been crossed between other systems East and West. And again, that is just because the world turns, and the magnetic field runs north to south.

  6. Larry,

    Thanks for your comment.

    I am not sure if we are grying.

    The transition from MILC to MISC would not be a replacement of one by another, but rather a transformation in the particulars of interests.

    That it is say, Boeing will still be there, Lockheed, will still be there, but the projects these companies (and thus the workers, and thus the congressmen, and also the bureaucracy) champion will be more like this [1] than that [2].


  7. “The transition from MILC to MISC would not be a replacement of one by another, but rather a transformation in the particulars of interests.”

    Of course it would. Just look at the best MISC in the world today, Iran. It looks to me like it is all one force. I think it is like the speed of light, it takes all the energy to get there.

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