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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/04/16/don-imus-and-jl-kirk.html/comment-page-1#comment-16450</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Curtis,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are you proposing a moral equivalence between Jessee Jackson and Instapundit?  Or a functional equivalence?  Something else?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; AE,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Clearly the consequences of &quot;nappy headed hos&quot; is bigger than &quot;pointy-headed Jew&quot; because the controversy around &quot;nappy&quot; is bigger.  My thoughts on &quot;outrage,&quot; though, is why.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I think widespread media directed humor at &quot;powerful&quot; members of society (asians, jews, whites, etc) while the same outlets that do that rarely mock &quot;powerless&quot; members (blacks, etc) supports my thought.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; This process may compound itself.  By spending resources irrationally responding to outrages, black community leaders cannot invest those same resources as outrage-free groups can.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; (I responded at Soob [1] too, btw)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis,</p>
<p> Are you proposing a moral equivalence between Jessee Jackson and Instapundit?  Or a functional equivalence?  Something else?</p>
<p> AE,</p>
<p> Clearly the consequences of &#8220;nappy headed hos&#8221; is bigger than &#8220;pointy-headed Jew&#8221; because the controversy around &#8220;nappy&#8221; is bigger.  My thoughts on &#8220;outrage,&#8221; though, is why.  </p>
<p> I think widespread media directed humor at &#8220;powerful&#8221; members of society (asians, jews, whites, etc) while the same outlets that do that rarely mock &#8220;powerless&#8221; members (blacks, etc) supports my thought.</p>
<p> This process may compound itself.  By spending resources irrationally responding to outrages, black community leaders cannot invest those same resources as outrage-free groups can.</p>
<p> (I responded at Soob [1] too, btw)</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: A.E. </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/04/16/don-imus-and-jl-kirk.html/comment-page-1#comment-16449</link>
		<dc:creator>A.E. </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I think that part of the reason that there wasn&#039;t that much of a response to Imus&#039; anti-Semitic remarks was simply that they didn&#039;t get much news coverage. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; News stories like the &quot;nappy-head hoes&quot; remark or the Duke scandal are best understood as the cumulative effect of a herd of media outlets all converging on the same point. The incident needs to generate interaction or friction of some kind to attract the attention of media outlets (which don&#039;t like to run outside the herd, despite what many reporters like to think). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Because the more activist elements of the Jewish community did not respond to it, there was no conflict and thus no lead for newspapers and news channels.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that part of the reason that there wasn&#39;t that much of a response to Imus&#39; anti-Semitic remarks was simply that they didn&#39;t get much news coverage. </p>
<p> News stories like the &#8220;nappy-head hoes&#8221; remark or the Duke scandal are best understood as the cumulative effect of a herd of media outlets all converging on the same point. The incident needs to generate interaction or friction of some kind to attract the attention of media outlets (which don&#39;t like to run outside the herd, despite what many reporters like to think). </p>
<p> Because the more activist elements of the Jewish community did not respond to it, there was no conflict and thus no lead for newspapers and news channels.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve French </title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve French </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re overstating the matter, we don&#039;t have outrage because it is strong, or widely felt, we have it because it&#039;s cheap.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#39;re overstating the matter, we don&#39;t have outrage because it is strong, or widely felt, we have it because it&#39;s cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Jay,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I agree on the parasitic nature of Sharpton and Jackson.  The blogosphere is lucky not to have &quot;leaders&quot; like that.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Steve,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; ... but outrage costs one political capital, as individuals and groups end of spending goods (respect, attention, energy, concern) they could have saved or traded for something more valuable.  It&#039;s &quot;irrational,&quot; and that&#039;s what makes me think it&#039;s a reflex.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p> I agree on the parasitic nature of Sharpton and Jackson.  The blogosphere is lucky not to have &#8220;leaders&#8221; like that.</p>
<p> Steve,</p>
<p> &#8230; but outrage costs one political capital, as individuals and groups end of spending goods (respect, attention, energy, concern) they could have saved or traded for something more valuable.  It&#39;s &#8220;irrational,&#8221; and that&#39;s what makes me think it&#39;s a reflex.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Dan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;I agree on the parasitic nature of Sharpton and Jackson. The blogosphere is lucky not to have &quot;leaders&quot; like that.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Err...&quot;AE, will the HuffPost be bloggin the JL Kirk scandal?&quot; [1] (and Daily Kos, Michelle Malkin, and....***INSTAPUNDIT***?)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; It does seem as if some of these putative leaders often follow those they would lead; but in truth, sometimes they are actually leading.  Certainly, those like Instapundit are given deference, loyalty, etc., and a recognition of being authoritative, in these situations, and even perhaps a bow and acquiescence if not always a bow and tribute. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p> &#8220;I agree on the parasitic nature of Sharpton and Jackson. The blogosphere is lucky not to have &#8220;leaders&#8221; like that.&#8221;</p>
<p> Err&#8230;&#8221;AE, will the HuffPost be bloggin the JL Kirk scandal?&#8221; [1] (and Daily Kos, Michelle Malkin, and&#8230;.***INSTAPUNDIT***?)</p>
<p> It does seem as if some of these putative leaders often follow those they would lead; but in truth, sometimes they are actually leading.  Certainly, those like Instapundit are given deference, loyalty, etc., and a recognition of being authoritative, in these situations, and even perhaps a bow and acquiescence if not always a bow and tribute. </p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://soobdujour.blogspot.com/2007/04/kirked-no.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/04/16/don-imus-and-jl-kirk.html/comment-page-1#comment-16446</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;BTW, I&#039;ve always thought Malkin was shrill and slightly insane, at least when she goes into a self-righteous, self-stimulating, and self-fulfilling rage.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I&#39;ve always thought Malkin was shrill and slightly insane, at least when she goes into a self-righteous, self-stimulating, and self-fulfilling rage.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;rage/outrage; whichever&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rage/outrage; whichever</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/04/16/don-imus-and-jl-kirk.html/comment-page-1#comment-16448</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;On building personal reputations with blogged outrage (however muted):&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;DO BLOGS INFLUENCE SSRN DOWNLOADS? &quot;In fact, yes they do.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Indeed. My Libel in the Blogosphere paper has moved up over 160 places -- from 1069 to 902 -- in the SSRN rankings since the Katherine Coble / JL Kirk / King &amp; Ballow affair broke out.&quot; [1]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Nice, unintended consequence, as memetic confluences create emergence; or, Hey, this Kat thing supports and justifies what I&#039;ve been saying all along!  (But who doesn&#039;t appreciate such notice/proofing?)  Another clue to a 5GW tactic? [2]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://instapundit.com/archives2/004193.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://instapundit.com/archives2/004193.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/04/is_kirking_a_tool_in_all_gener.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/04/is_kirking_a_tool_in_all_gener.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On building personal reputations with blogged outrage (however muted):</p>
<p> &#8220;DO BLOGS INFLUENCE SSRN DOWNLOADS? &#8220;In fact, yes they do.&#8221;</p>
<p> Indeed. My Libel in the Blogosphere paper has moved up over 160 places &#8212; from 1069 to 902 &#8212; in the SSRN rankings since the Katherine Coble / JL Kirk / King &amp; Ballow affair broke out.&#8221; [1]</p>
<p> Nice, unintended consequence, as memetic confluences create emergence; or, Hey, this Kat thing supports and justifies what I&#39;ve been saying all along!  (But who doesn&#39;t appreciate such notice/proofing?)  Another clue to a 5GW tactic? [2]</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://instapundit.com/archives2/004193.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://instapundit.com/archives2/004193.php</a></p>
<p> [2] <a href="http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/04/is_kirking_a_tool_in_all_gener.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/04/is_kirking_a_tool_in_all_gener.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay@Soob </title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay@Soob </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Excellent. But I think you missed one element as far as the AA portion is concerned. The ventures of those that claim to fight the disparity you outline when in fact they maintain a parasitic and sadistic addiction to it. And like any addict the last thing they want is for the source of their malady to go away.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent. But I think you missed one element as far as the AA portion is concerned. The ventures of those that claim to fight the disparity you outline when in fact they maintain a parasitic and sadistic addiction to it. And like any addict the last thing they want is for the source of their malady to go away.</p>
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		<title>By:  sonofsamphm1c </title>
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		<dc:creator> sonofsamphm1c </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;To me it&#039;s simple.  Imus and his sidekick(s) have been picking a fight with Sharpton for years and years.  Sharpton waited patiently, saw a jaw, and knocked it into next week.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Fight started; fight finished.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me it&#39;s simple.  Imus and his sidekick(s) have been picking a fight with Sharpton for years and years.  Sharpton waited patiently, saw a jaw, and knocked it into next week.</p>
<p> Fight started; fight finished.</p>
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