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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/05/12/federalism-counterinsurgency-christianity-and-the-klan.html/comment-page-1#comment-295801</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfecto,

Could you provide a link to the TWC logo?

Additionally, you appear to be hostile to the TWC. Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfecto,</p>
<p>Could you provide a link to the TWC logo?</p>
<p>Additionally, you appear to be hostile to the TWC. Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Perfecto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perfecto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noticed that these texas workFORCE commission, actually,
&quot;CONmission&quot; logo with the cros in the middle resembles the same cross that the KuKlxKlan has. Innocent as it may seem on their logo, four people are holding hands (PSEUDO-diversity) making a circle. When you look right in the middle of the logo, you will notice the cross, same as the 
KuKluxKlan&#039;s...the cross is very obvious. Why this cross. What was the KuKluxKlan associated with or against and for&quot; segragation-for 
                                                               Slavery-(keep WORKING)-FOR!
                                                                    killing-FOR

                                                                interracial marriage-AGAINST
Going back to the texas workFORCE&#039;S association to theis logo.
Slavery-cheap labor  During Nazi occupation of Europe, there was this Nationalist party that was represented by a worker&#039;s-like union, the same in Russia. The workers in these countries were very much &quot;lauded or hailed as the ones who would build and make a stronger economy/ies
in these countries. Pretty much, they were &quot;FORCED&quot; to work. 
It was very much propaganda comming from the Hitler and Stalin&#039;s economist, politicians. The dynamics of this conservative nationalist are very apparent here. The texas workFORC CONmission is &quot;privately owned 
by some -Corporation-$$$ in North Carolina&quot;. Someone is getting rich while
there propaganda is instilling cheap labor..the ONLY difference is, we are the good guys, we pay our employees.  I picked up on their logo. 
Purple Power!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed that these texas workFORCE commission, actually,<br />
&#8220;CONmission&#8221; logo with the cros in the middle resembles the same cross that the KuKlxKlan has. Innocent as it may seem on their logo, four people are holding hands (PSEUDO-diversity) making a circle. When you look right in the middle of the logo, you will notice the cross, same as the<br />
KuKluxKlan&#8217;s&#8230;the cross is very obvious. Why this cross. What was the KuKluxKlan associated with or against and for&#8221; segragation-for<br />
                                                               Slavery-(keep WORKING)-FOR!<br />
                                                                    killing-FOR</p>
<p>                                                                interracial marriage-AGAINST<br />
Going back to the texas workFORCE&#8217;S association to theis logo.<br />
Slavery-cheap labor  During Nazi occupation of Europe, there was this Nationalist party that was represented by a worker&#8217;s-like union, the same in Russia. The workers in these countries were very much &#8220;lauded or hailed as the ones who would build and make a stronger economy/ies<br />
in these countries. Pretty much, they were &#8220;FORCED&#8221; to work.<br />
It was very much propaganda comming from the Hitler and Stalin&#8217;s economist, politicians. The dynamics of this conservative nationalist are very apparent here. The texas workFORC CONmission is &#8220;privately owned<br />
by some -Corporation-$$$ in North Carolina&#8221;. Someone is getting rich while<br />
there propaganda is instilling cheap labor..the ONLY difference is, we are the good guys, we pay our employees.  I picked up on their logo.<br />
Purple Power!</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick James,

Chessboxing is an original concept [1], but the 3K Movement has better melody [2].

Michael,

Apologies for the late comment!  You are correct that the 20th and 19th century Klans had different constituents, goals, and histories.  The KKK that operated in the post-War space of Dixie was a very different animal from the ur-Lou-Dobbs fans of the 1910s.


[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6jwab3HWk&amp;feature=related
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIebIKNS4s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick James,</p>
<p>Chessboxing is an original concept [1], but the 3K Movement has better melody [2].</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Apologies for the late comment!  You are correct that the 20th and 19th century Klans had different constituents, goals, and histories.  The KKK that operated in the post-War space of Dixie was a very different animal from the ur-Lou-Dobbs fans of the 1910s.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6jwab3HWk&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6jwab3HWk&#038;feature=related</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIebIKNS4s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIebIKNS4s</a></p>
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		<title>By: rick james</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE KKK WAS VERY BAD! THE WU TANG CLAN IS MUCH BETTER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE KKK WAS VERY BAD! THE WU TANG CLAN IS MUCH BETTER!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve French </title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve French </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re overstating the KKK&#039;s role in the end of reconstruction by several orders of magnitude .&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#39;re overstating the KKK&#39;s role in the end of reconstruction by several orders of magnitude .</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Steve, how so?&lt;/p&gt; </description>
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		<title>By: Steve French </title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve French </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;It presumes that the Klan was a military threat to the union troops,  and merited a lot of attention from the Union.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It presumes that the Klan was a military threat to the union troops,  and merited a lot of attention from the Union.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;The Klan was organized by Confederate army general staff, killed thousands to tens of thousands of Americans, actively and successfully sought to change elections, murdered a Congressman, and required the greatest peacetime expansion of federal police power to that time (two Force bills, a suspension of habeus corpus, etc.).&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The Klan was not a military force or a military threat in that it was not designed to defeat Union soldiers in a decive battle.  Rather, it was paramilitary force designed to wear down the Union&#039;s will to continue fighting.    The Klan was a paramilitary threat, which is why the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 was passed to provide the legal mechanisms to fight it.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The Klan itself was military dispersed, though the victory would be hollow (as was the later British &quot;victory&quot; over the Boers and the American &quot;victory&quot; over the Viet Cong).  While militarily successful, the occuping Union lost the will to fight.  Enforcement of Union laws largely ended after 1876, and would not resume until President Eisenhower.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The American federalism system allowed the Southern loyalists to win a measure of independence, &quot;home rule,&quot; if you will.  However, this partial victory put time on the side of the economically more connected side -- the Union -- and to the mostly bloodless reassertion of federal authority in the 1950s and 1960s.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Klan was organized by Confederate army general staff, killed thousands to tens of thousands of Americans, actively and successfully sought to change elections, murdered a Congressman, and required the greatest peacetime expansion of federal police power to that time (two Force bills, a suspension of habeus corpus, etc.).</p>
<p> The Klan was not a military force or a military threat in that it was not designed to defeat Union soldiers in a decive battle.  Rather, it was paramilitary force designed to wear down the Union&#39;s will to continue fighting.    The Klan was a paramilitary threat, which is why the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 was passed to provide the legal mechanisms to fight it.</p>
<p> The Klan itself was military dispersed, though the victory would be hollow (as was the later British &#8220;victory&#8221; over the Boers and the American &#8220;victory&#8221; over the Viet Cong).  While militarily successful, the occuping Union lost the will to fight.  Enforcement of Union laws largely ended after 1876, and would not resume until President Eisenhower.</p>
<p> The American federalism system allowed the Southern loyalists to win a measure of independence, &#8220;home rule,&#8221; if you will.  However, this partial victory put time on the side of the economically more connected side &#8212; the Union &#8212; and to the mostly bloodless reassertion of federal authority in the 1950s and 1960s.</p>
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		<title>By:  Michael </title>
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		<dc:creator> Michael </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;My suspicion is that GG applies to the case of the Klan more directly than that.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Here&#039;s what I remember from US history class (warning, my memory is several years fuzzy, so add appropriate grains of salt). There was actually two or three Klans. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The first one, founded by Forrest, was eventually dismantled by the federal government, partly with the help of Forrest himself; he started it to continue the war, not to terrorize unarmed blacks. Unfortunately, this dismantling didn&#039;t happen before many of the their methods diffused through the Southern populace. In our terms, the Klan went open source.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; In the early 20th century, a salesman who&#039;s name I forget revived the Klan as a commercial enterprise-- a fraternal organisation with him at the top. He built it, added a bunch of mystical mumbo-jumbo (the Dragon/Wizard stuff) for flavor, and sold it nation-wide with anti-foreigner and anti-semitic rhetoric added to appeal to the wider audience. In doing so, though, he wound up spreading the methodology of the older Klan outside the South. The second Klan, being a legal organisation, was eventually brought down by the government through legal means, but the methods are still out there, being used by other White Supremacist groups including remnant Klan groups. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; As Al Qaeda evolved from a single organization into a brand of techniques available to the hateful, so the Klan evolved. And while the government occasionally fights the current Klan groups, when one of them is dumb enough to pick a fight with them, most of the opposition is through de-centralized means: local law enforcement, community activists and counterprotesters, journalists and others. As I understand, de-centralized means (albeit of a different variety) are Robb&#039;s prescription for dealing with the new Al Qaeda.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; My apologies in advance for any facts I just got wrong; this was mainly a brain-dump to get this viewpoint on the table.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My suspicion is that GG applies to the case of the Klan more directly than that.</p>
<p> Here&#39;s what I remember from US history class (warning, my memory is several years fuzzy, so add appropriate grains of salt). There was actually two or three Klans. </p>
<p> The first one, founded by Forrest, was eventually dismantled by the federal government, partly with the help of Forrest himself; he started it to continue the war, not to terrorize unarmed blacks. Unfortunately, this dismantling didn&#39;t happen before many of the their methods diffused through the Southern populace. In our terms, the Klan went open source.</p>
<p> In the early 20th century, a salesman who&#39;s name I forget revived the Klan as a commercial enterprise&#8211; a fraternal organisation with him at the top. He built it, added a bunch of mystical mumbo-jumbo (the Dragon/Wizard stuff) for flavor, and sold it nation-wide with anti-foreigner and anti-semitic rhetoric added to appeal to the wider audience. In doing so, though, he wound up spreading the methodology of the older Klan outside the South. The second Klan, being a legal organisation, was eventually brought down by the government through legal means, but the methods are still out there, being used by other White Supremacist groups including remnant Klan groups. </p>
<p> As Al Qaeda evolved from a single organization into a brand of techniques available to the hateful, so the Klan evolved. And while the government occasionally fights the current Klan groups, when one of them is dumb enough to pick a fight with them, most of the opposition is through de-centralized means: local law enforcement, community activists and counterprotesters, journalists and others. As I understand, de-centralized means (albeit of a different variety) are Robb&#39;s prescription for dealing with the new Al Qaeda.</p>
<p> My apologies in advance for any facts I just got wrong; this was mainly a brain-dump to get this viewpoint on the table.</p>
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