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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guess not</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guess not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] done in the absence of corporate entanglements is sturdier than analysis done with them. While the military-industrial-complex may keep our posture overall on an even keel, the benefits on an individual level are more monetary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] done in the absence of corporate entanglements is sturdier than analysis done with them. While the military-industrial-complex may keep our posture overall on an even keel, the benefits on an individual level are more monetary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, more excellent brainfood...thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, more excellent brainfood&#8230;thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,

Thanks for the speedy reply!

I discussed comparison of historical costs when I reviewed Chet Richard&#039;s latest book [1].

One needs to be careful, because the labor-capital mix changes over time, so costs which are paid in terms of labor in one time period may be &quot;cheaply&quot; paid with capital later on.

Certainly there are short-term cost adjustments here and there (a real estate bubble bursting, commodity prices rising, etc), but these tend to get lost in the noise of the economy.

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/12/review-of-if-we-can-keep-it-by-chet-richards.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>Thanks for the speedy reply!</p>
<p>I discussed comparison of historical costs when I reviewed Chet Richard&#8217;s latest book [1].</p>
<p>One needs to be careful, because the labor-capital mix changes over time, so costs which are paid in terms of labor in one time period may be &#8220;cheaply&#8221; paid with capital later on.</p>
<p>Certainly there are short-term cost adjustments here and there (a real estate bubble bursting, commodity prices rising, etc), but these tend to get lost in the noise of the economy.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/12/review-of-if-we-can-keep-it-by-chet-richards.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/12/review-of-if-we-can-keep-it-by-chet-richards.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/12/5gw-shrinking-the-gap-the-moneyfantasy-machine.html/comment-page-1#comment-71222</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the cost of maintaining the populations, I was referring to &quot;structural issues such as providing jobs/votes/missions&quot; -- everything is currently getting more expensive and until those trends reverse, costs will rise.  Costs of living that individual citizens are unable to bear get transferred to their government in one form or another, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the cost of maintaining the populations, I was referring to &#8220;structural issues such as providing jobs/votes/missions&#8221; &#8212; everything is currently getting more expensive and until those trends reverse, costs will rise.  Costs of living that individual citizens are unable to bear get transferred to their government in one form or another, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,

Thank you for your comment!

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Global War on Communism was another great example of a “Money/Fantasy Machine” — the cold war created the modern arms market after all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed [1].

&lt;blockquote&gt;In retrospect, we know that the Soviets were never a serious threat to us&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Attemping to destroy the global economy - and taking a third of the world offline -- is a serious threat.

&lt;blockquote&gt;and we know that intel on both sides was so polluted with moles and double agents that nobody had an accurate picture of WTF was going on&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wars often have fog.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Although on a conceptual level I often disagree with you, I always appreciate your articles, they are always lucid, detailed and like Zenpundit, refreshingly honest in your language.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you! :-)

&lt;blockquote&gt;I appreciate the acknowledgement that what is Good and Right is whatever those in power determine to be Good and Right and project onto their captive populations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In truth, state-within 5GW [2] goes beyond this, such that what is good and right matter less than structural issues such as providing jobs/votes/missions. [2]

&lt;blockquote&gt;(The increasing cost of maintaining these power base populations is going to keep getting steeper, though.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you know of references for this?  I would be interested in it.

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/12/5gw-shrinking-the-gap-the-moneyfantasy-machine.html
[2] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment!</p>
<blockquote><p>The Global War on Communism was another great example of a “Money/Fantasy Machine” — the cold war created the modern arms market after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed [1].</p>
<blockquote><p>In retrospect, we know that the Soviets were never a serious threat to us</p></blockquote>
<p>Attemping to destroy the global economy &#8211; and taking a third of the world offline &#8212; is a serious threat.</p>
<blockquote><p>and we know that intel on both sides was so polluted with moles and double agents that nobody had an accurate picture of WTF was going on</p></blockquote>
<p>Wars often have fog.</p>
<blockquote><p>Although on a conceptual level I often disagree with you, I always appreciate your articles, they are always lucid, detailed and like Zenpundit, refreshingly honest in your language.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you! <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>I appreciate the acknowledgement that what is Good and Right is whatever those in power determine to be Good and Right and project onto their captive populations.</p></blockquote>
<p>In truth, state-within 5GW [2] goes beyond this, such that what is good and right matter less than structural issues such as providing jobs/votes/missions. [2]</p>
<blockquote><p>(The increasing cost of maintaining these power base populations is going to keep getting steeper, though.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you know of references for this?  I would be interested in it.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/12/5gw-shrinking-the-gap-the-moneyfantasy-machine.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/12/5gw-shrinking-the-gap-the-moneyfantasy-machine.html</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/08/01/kinds-of-5gw.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Boland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Boland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Global War on Communism was another great example of a &quot;Money/Fantasy Machine&quot; -- the cold war created the modern arms market after all.  In retrospect, we know that the Soviets were never a serious threat to us, and we know that intel on both sides was so polluted with moles and double agents that nobody had an accurate picture of WTF was going on. 

Although on a conceptual level I often disagree with you, I always appreciate your articles, they are always lucid, detailed and like Zenpundit, refreshingly honest in your language.  We&#039;re not getting the common man excited, we&#039;re &quot;subverting our own population&quot; -- candor that reminded me of Mark Safranski&#039;s comment about a 5GW hi-tech version of Operation Phoenix where he referred to &quot;the bady guys&quot; in those same quotes.  

I appreciate the acknowledgement that what is Good and Right is whatever those in power determine to be Good and Right and project onto their captive populations.  (The increasing cost of maintaining these power base populations is going to keep getting steeper, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Global War on Communism was another great example of a &#8220;Money/Fantasy Machine&#8221; &#8212; the cold war created the modern arms market after all.  In retrospect, we know that the Soviets were never a serious threat to us, and we know that intel on both sides was so polluted with moles and double agents that nobody had an accurate picture of WTF was going on. </p>
<p>Although on a conceptual level I often disagree with you, I always appreciate your articles, they are always lucid, detailed and like Zenpundit, refreshingly honest in your language.  We&#8217;re not getting the common man excited, we&#8217;re &#8220;subverting our own population&#8221; &#8212; candor that reminded me of Mark Safranski&#8217;s comment about a 5GW hi-tech version of Operation Phoenix where he referred to &#8220;the bady guys&#8221; in those same quotes.  </p>
<p>I appreciate the acknowledgement that what is Good and Right is whatever those in power determine to be Good and Right and project onto their captive populations.  (The increasing cost of maintaining these power base populations is going to keep getting steeper, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Purpleslog on Covert Radio - Topic: &#8220;5th Generation Warfare - What does it all mean?&#8221; &#171; PurpleSlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purpleslog on Covert Radio - Topic: &#8220;5th Generation Warfare - What does it all mean?&#8221; &#171; PurpleSlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I covered the anti-Soviet 5GW (the 1947ers) documented by TDAXP and suggested establishing a similar 5GW (as originally suggested [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve French </title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve French </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Heh.  Vested interests don&#039;t usually require much nurturing.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Vested interests don&#39;t usually require much nurturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Steve -- the Military-Industrial-Leviathan-Complex is more than just vested interests: its an iron triangle [1] of defense contractors, the military, and congressmen who support each other -- and will here it from the people (employees and constiuents) if they don&#039;t.  Taking back even a little of the MILC elicts howls of partisan protest on both sides. [2]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Boeing runs ads showing off their new fighters that can only be used against China in the Taiwan Straits.  Why not build a world where Lockheed-Blackwater runs PR as a matter of course for their latest in state-building, post-conflict stabilization, and systems administration services?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/tag/ellsworth&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/tag/ellsworth&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8212; the Military-Industrial-Leviathan-Complex is more than just vested interests: its an iron triangle [1] of defense contractors, the military, and congressmen who support each other &#8212; and will here it from the people (employees and constiuents) if they don&#39;t.  Taking back even a little of the MILC elicts howls of partisan protest on both sides. [2]</p>
<p> Boeing runs ads showing off their new fighters that can only be used against China in the Taiwan Straits.  Why not build a world where Lockheed-Blackwater runs PR as a matter of course for their latest in state-building, post-conflict stabilization, and systems administration services?</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle</a><br /> [2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/tag/ellsworth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/tag/ellsworth</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve French </title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve French </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I agree.  They&#039;re the same thing (I&#039;m not intending to start a semantic sidetrack).  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; By it, I was referring to the&quot;Military-Industrial-Leviathan-Complex&quot;  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I was actually reminded of Mencken&#039;s &quot;The New Deal began, like the Salvation Army, by promising to save humanity. It ended, again like the Salvation Army, by running flop-houses and disturbing the peace.&quot; and Albert Jay Nock&#039;s adage: &quot;Experience has made it clear beyond doubt or peradventure that prohibition in the United States is not a moral issue; it is not essentially, even, a political issue; it is a vested interest.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Come to think of it, I blogged about that here.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moodyloner.net/2007/05/wars-in-middle-east-are-officially.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.moodyloner.net/2007/05/wars-in-middle-east-are-officially.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  They&#39;re the same thing (I&#39;m not intending to start a semantic sidetrack).  </p>
<p> By it, I was referring to the&#8221;Military-Industrial-Leviathan-Complex&#8221;  </p>
<p> I was actually reminded of Mencken&#39;s &#8220;The New Deal began, like the Salvation Army, by promising to save humanity. It ended, again like the Salvation Army, by running flop-houses and disturbing the peace.&#8221; and Albert Jay Nock&#39;s adage: &#8220;Experience has made it clear beyond doubt or peradventure that prohibition in the United States is not a moral issue; it is not essentially, even, a political issue; it is a vested interest.&#8221;</p>
<p> Come to think of it, I blogged about that here.<br /> <a href="http://www.moodyloner.net/2007/05/wars-in-middle-east-are-officially.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.moodyloner.net/2007/05/wars-in-middle-east-are-officially.html</a></p>
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