Comments on: A Catholic Exchangeon the Death Penalty http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html High-minded, fanatically malthusian perspectives Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:18:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dudley sharp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html/comment-page-1#comment-17087 dudley sharp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html#comment-17087 <p>Some reviews on the current errors by the Catholic Church on the death penalty<br /> <br /> (1)"The Death Penalty", Chapter XXVI, 187. The death penalty, from the book Iota Unum, by Romano Amerio, <br /> <br /> in a blog (replace dot) <a href="http://domid.blogspot.com/2007/05/amerio-on-capital-punishment.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://domid.blogspot.com/2007/05/amerio-on-capital-punishment.html</a><br /> titled "Amerio on capital punishment "Friday, May 25, 2007 <br /> <br /> NOTE: Thoughtful deconstruction of current Roman Catholic teaching on capital punishment by a faithful Catholic Vatican insider.<br /> <br /> <br /> (2) "Catholic and other Christian References: Support for the Death Penalty", at <br /> <a href="http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/10/12/catholic-and-other-christian-references-support-for-the-death-penalty.aspx" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/10/12/catholic-and-other-christian-references-support-for-the-death-penalty.aspx</a><br /> <br /> <br /> (3) "Capital Punishment: A Catholic Perspective" at<br /> <a href="http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/capital_punishment.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/capital_punishment.htm</a><br /> <br /> <br /> (4) "The Purpose of Punishment (in the Catholic tradition)", by R. Michael Dunningan, J.D., J.C.L., CHRISTIFIDELIS, Vol.21,No.4, sept 14, 2003<br /> <a href="http://www.st-joseph-foundation.org/newsletter/lead.php?document=2003/21-4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.st-joseph-foundation.org/newsletter/lead.php?document=2003/21-4</a><br /> <br /> <br /> (5) "MOST CATHOLICS OPPOSE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT?", KARL KEATING'S E-LETTER, Catholic Answers, March 2, 2004<br /> <a href="http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040302.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040302.asp</a><br /> <br /> <br /> (6) "THOUGHTS ON THE BISHOPS' MEETING: NOWADAYS, VOTERS IGNORE BISHOPS" , KARL KEATING'S E-LETTER, Catholic Answers,, Nov. 22, 2005<br /> <a href="http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_051122.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_051122.asp</a><br /> <br /> <br /> (7) Forgotten Truths: "Is The Church Against Abortion and The Death Penalty", by Luiz Sergio Solimeo, Crusade Magazine, p14-16, May/June 2007<br /> <a href="http://www.tfp.org/crusade/crusade_mag_vol_87.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfp.org/crusade/crusade_mag_vol_87.pdf</a> <br /> <br /> <br /> (8) "God’s Justice and Ours" by Antonin Scalia, First Things, 5/2002<br /> <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=2022" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=2022</a></p> Some reviews on the current errors by the Catholic Church on the death penalty

(1)”The Death Penalty”, Chapter XXVI, 187. The death penalty, from the book Iota Unum, by Romano Amerio,

in a blog (replace dot) http://domid.blogspot.com/2007/05/amerio-on-capital-punishment.html
titled “Amerio on capital punishment “Friday, May 25, 2007

NOTE: Thoughtful deconstruction of current Roman Catholic teaching on capital punishment by a faithful Catholic Vatican insider.

(2) “Catholic and other Christian References: Support for the Death Penalty”, at
http://homicidesurvivors.com/2006/10/12/catholic-and-other-christian-references-support-for-the-death-penalty.aspx

(3) “Capital Punishment: A Catholic Perspective” at
http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/capital_punishment.htm

(4) “The Purpose of Punishment (in the Catholic tradition)”, by R. Michael Dunningan, J.D., J.C.L., CHRISTIFIDELIS, Vol.21,No.4, sept 14, 2003
http://www.st-joseph-foundation.org/newsletter/lead.php?document=2003/21-4

(5) “MOST CATHOLICS OPPOSE CAPITAL PUNISHMENT?”, KARL KEATING'S E-LETTER, Catholic Answers, March 2, 2004
http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_040302.asp

(6) “THOUGHTS ON THE BISHOPS' MEETING: NOWADAYS, VOTERS IGNORE BISHOPS” , KARL KEATING'S E-LETTER, Catholic Answers,, Nov. 22, 2005
http://www.catholic.com/newsletters/kke_051122.asp

(7) Forgotten Truths: “Is The Church Against Abortion and The Death Penalty”, by Luiz Sergio Solimeo, Crusade Magazine, p14-16, May/June 2007
http://www.tfp.org/crusade/crusade_mag_vol_87.pdf

(8) “God’s Justice and Ours” by Antonin Scalia, First Things, 5/2002
http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=2022

]]> By: shane http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html/comment-page-1#comment-17085 shane Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html#comment-17085 <p>This reminds me of Jesus's response to the Pharisees when (attempting to trap Jesus) they asked if they should pay tribute to Rome. His response ("Give to Caesar what is Caesar's ...") laid the foundation for our entire body of thought on "Just War".<br /> <br /> Just to preempt casual observers who may cite the most mis-quote Commandment, Exodus 20:12 reads "Thou shalt not murder" -- *not* "Thou shalt not kill". Check out Leviticus for all the reason to kill your neighbor...<br /> <br /> That said, I don't personally agree that Nifong deserves the death penalty. Public humiliation and as much restitution as can be offered to the defamed Duke lacrosse players works for me (besides, they'll all be able to milk this for book deals, movie deals, made-for-TV mini-series, etc.). Ain't capitalism grand? :-)</p> This reminds me of Jesus's response to the Pharisees when (attempting to trap Jesus) they asked if they should pay tribute to Rome. His response (“Give to Caesar what is Caesar's …”) laid the foundation for our entire body of thought on “Just War”.

Just to preempt casual observers who may cite the most mis-quote Commandment, Exodus 20:12 reads “Thou shalt not murder” — *not* “Thou shalt not kill”. Check out Leviticus for all the reason to kill your neighbor…

That said, I don't personally agree that Nifong deserves the death penalty. Public humiliation and as much restitution as can be offered to the defamed Duke lacrosse players works for me (besides, they'll all be able to milk this for book deals, movie deals, made-for-TV mini-series, etc.). Ain't capitalism grand? :-)

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html/comment-page-1#comment-17086 Dan tdaxp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html#comment-17086 <p>Shane,<br /> <br /> I agree completely with your first two paragraphs.<br /> <br /> The role of money in this case is interesting. Nifong would probably prefer a prison sentence of a few years if he could keep his pension and escape civil liability. At the same time, no amount of money and compensate for the terror his victims and their families felt.<br /> <br /> PS: <br /> <br /> Thanks for Jayson of Edgewise [1] for emailing the link to Shea's post in!<br /> <br /> [1] <a href="http://edgewise.motime.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://edgewise.motime.com/</a></p> Shane,

I agree completely with your first two paragraphs.

The role of money in this case is interesting. Nifong would probably prefer a prison sentence of a few years if he could keep his pension and escape civil liability. At the same time, no amount of money and compensate for the terror his victims and their families felt.

PS:

Thanks for Jayson of Edgewise [1] for emailing the link to Shea's post in!

[1] http://edgewise.motime.com/

]]> By: Richardson http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html/comment-page-1#comment-17088 Richardson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/19/a-catholic-exchangeon-the-death-penalty.html#comment-17088 <p>Dan,<br /> I disagree that Nifong should be executed, and commented on that post with the reasoning just before this comment. <br /> <br /> The rest, however, I agree with; I believe Shane is absolutely correct concerning “kill” and “murder,” and that there is a difference between forgiving someone and the state punishing them. It’d be great of more people could or would grasp that concept.</p> Dan,
I disagree that Nifong should be executed, and commented on that post with the reasoning just before this comment.

The rest, however, I agree with; I believe Shane is absolutely correct concerning “kill” and “murder,” and that there is a difference between forgiving someone and the state punishing them. It’d be great of more people could or would grasp that concept.

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