Comments on: The Importance of 5GW http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html All of us against the machine Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:09:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Draft - Shadows of 5GW: The Default American PoV has become a Leftist POV « PurpleSlog http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-220213 Draft - Shadows of 5GW: The Default American PoV has become a Leftist POV « PurpleSlog Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:33:59 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-220213 [...] and interlocking treaties.  The Military-Industrial was profit seeking agent to keep it going. TDAXP first pointed out this 5GW and tried to articulate on the radio interview. This  5GW took the path of Frog [...] [...] and interlocking treaties.  The Military-Industrial was profit seeking agent to keep it going. TDAXP first pointed out this 5GW and tried to articulate on the radio interview. This  5GW took the path of Frog [...]

]]> By: tdaxp » Blog Archive » The Coming Popularity of al Qaeda http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-135548 tdaxp » Blog Archive » The Coming Popularity of al Qaeda Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:48:59 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-135548 [...] have argued before that because of the Left’s fascination with “other voices,” al Qaeda will become a hip movement on college campuses (in the sense that Che is now or the Viet Cong once was) . This will happen in a generation after [...] [...] have argued before that because of the Left’s fascination with “other voices,” al Qaeda will become a hip movement on college campuses (in the sense that Che is now or the Viet Cong once was) . This will happen in a generation after [...]

]]> By: tdaxp » Blog Archive » Building the Sysadmin-Industrial-Complex http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-114841 tdaxp » Blog Archive » Building the Sysadmin-Industrial-Complex Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:03:03 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-114841 [...] post from Tom on Enterra’s work. Tom’s echoing what I wrote about in describing the need for 5GW — we cannot expect a conscious grand strategy to take us where we need to go. We need to [...] [...] post from Tom on Enterra’s work. Tom’s echoing what I wrote about in describing the need for 5GW — we cannot expect a conscious grand strategy to take us where we need to go. We need to [...]

]]> By: Adam http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-108127 Adam Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:42:21 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-108127 I'm surprised I missed this post so long ago.... A brief overview of Iranian history would point to the attraction of the movements to college students. And as I've written many times, Al-Qaeda style terrorism is exactly the sort of thing that alienated young males love. I think that tracking Al-Qaedist sympathies in colleges is something I'm going to have to do some more research on. Certainly bin Laden's quotations of Chomsky have met with approval. I’m surprised I missed this post so long ago….

A brief overview of Iranian history would point to the attraction of the movements to college students. And as I’ve written many times, Al-Qaeda style terrorism is exactly the sort of thing that alienated young males love.

I think that tracking Al-Qaedist sympathies in colleges is something I’m going to have to do some more research on. Certainly bin Laden’s quotations of Chomsky have met with approval.

]]> By: tdaxp » Blog Archive » 5GWish Links http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-71085 tdaxp » Blog Archive » 5GWish Links Tue, 13 May 2008 16:13:54 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-71085 [...] Cold War (the 5GW against Communism, which kept going long after public and elite support collapsed) was the topic of Purpleslog’s interview on Covert Radio (his reflections on the interiew are [...] [...] Cold War (the 5GW against Communism, which kept going long after public and elite support collapsed) was the topic of Purpleslog’s interview on Covert Radio (his reflections on the interiew are [...]

]]> By: Adrian http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17248 Adrian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-17248 <p>"If history repeats itself, or at least rhymes, within a generation of 9/11 active support of al Qaeda inspired movements should be fashionable on college campuses."<br /> <br /> I wasn't alive during the Vietnam War and haven't read all that much on it, so I can't comment on that aspect. But the notion that it would ever be fashionable to support al-Qaeda related movements on college campuses is laughable. You're off your rocker - perhaps your disgust of the "Left" is blinding you to some fundamental realities.<br /> <br /> What do college-age kids like? SEX. What does al-Qaeda fear? SEX. Ditto for drugs. And not very many people become MORE religious as they attend college. I'd believe that you meant this comment sarcastically, but you made it its own paragraph so I guess you really meant it...?</p> “If history repeats itself, or at least rhymes, within a generation of 9/11 active support of al Qaeda inspired movements should be fashionable on college campuses.”

I wasn't alive during the Vietnam War and haven't read all that much on it, so I can't comment on that aspect. But the notion that it would ever be fashionable to support al-Qaeda related movements on college campuses is laughable. You're off your rocker – perhaps your disgust of the “Left” is blinding you to some fundamental realities.

What do college-age kids like? SEX. What does al-Qaeda fear? SEX. Ditto for drugs. And not very many people become MORE religious as they attend college. I'd believe that you meant this comment sarcastically, but you made it its own paragraph so I guess you really meant it…?

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17249 Dan tdaxp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-17249 <p>"the notion that it would ever be fashionable to support al-Qaeda related movements on college campuses is laughable. You're off your rocker - perhaps your disgust of the "Left" is blinding you to some fundamental realities."<br /> <br /> What do college-age kids like? SEX. What does al-Qaeda fear? SEX. Ditto for drugs. "<br /> <br /> Yet Communist tyrants, from Ceausescu to Mao, instituted sexually conservative regimes and harshly prosecuted drug offenders. This did not stop Communism from being fashionable enough on college campuses to imperial the physical security of ROTCs, etc.<br /> <br /> "And not very many people become MORE religious as they attend college. "<br /> <br /> It's cliche to say that college is when many young people, with a sudden increase in freedom with very little increased responsibility, start looking beyond themselves... All sorts of utopian and millennial activism happens in colleges (GreenPeace, Amnesty International, etc.). In the absence of a grand strategic program to rebel against, student troublemaking is relatively harmless. When given a noble goal to spit upon, however, colleges have proven to be very dangerous.<br /> <br /> (There is a reason that most state universities were placed in small towns..)</p> “the notion that it would ever be fashionable to support al-Qaeda related movements on college campuses is laughable. You're off your rocker – perhaps your disgust of the “Left” is blinding you to some fundamental realities.”

What do college-age kids like? SEX. What does al-Qaeda fear? SEX. Ditto for drugs. “

Yet Communist tyrants, from Ceausescu to Mao, instituted sexually conservative regimes and harshly prosecuted drug offenders. This did not stop Communism from being fashionable enough on college campuses to imperial the physical security of ROTCs, etc.

“And not very many people become MORE religious as they attend college. “

It's cliche to say that college is when many young people, with a sudden increase in freedom with very little increased responsibility, start looking beyond themselves… All sorts of utopian and millennial activism happens in colleges (GreenPeace, Amnesty International, etc.). In the absence of a grand strategic program to rebel against, student troublemaking is relatively harmless. When given a noble goal to spit upon, however, colleges have proven to be very dangerous.

(There is a reason that most state universities were placed in small towns..)

]]> By: Adrian http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17250 Adrian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-17250 <p>Ceaucescu and Mao regulated sex as part of their overall totalitarian regime of controlling people's lives. Al Qaeda advertises controlling sex as part of the centerpiece of their raison d'etre (I learned that phrase in college!).</p> Ceaucescu and Mao regulated sex as part of their overall totalitarian regime of controlling people's lives. Al Qaeda advertises controlling sex as part of the centerpiece of their raison d'etre (I learned that phrase in college!).

]]> By: Curtis Gale Weeks http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17251 Curtis Gale Weeks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-17251 <p>The "sudden increase in freedom with very little increased responsibility" which Dan mentions may also lead to a **co-optation** of an ideology; this means, the orthodox Al-Qaeda ideology may not be accepted, but certain key aspects (key as defined by those suddenly "free thinker") may be adopted.<br /> <br /> Interestingly, if that happened, I could foresee a potential 5GW vulnerability for al-Qaeda, or what Dan has recently singled out in the blowback/pawn thread he recently posted. Begging the question, that these American kids begin co-opting Al-Qaeda ideology, and also that their take on that ideology is really a mutation, or some synthesis of various American cultural values with the al-Qaeda ideology, they could potentially threaten al-Qaeda itself or force it to change.<br /> <br /> Ha, that's one for a future SF novel, I suppose...</p> The “sudden increase in freedom with very little increased responsibility” which Dan mentions may also lead to a **co-optation** of an ideology; this means, the orthodox Al-Qaeda ideology may not be accepted, but certain key aspects (key as defined by those suddenly “free thinker”) may be adopted.

Interestingly, if that happened, I could foresee a potential 5GW vulnerability for al-Qaeda, or what Dan has recently singled out in the blowback/pawn thread he recently posted. Begging the question, that these American kids begin co-opting Al-Qaeda ideology, and also that their take on that ideology is really a mutation, or some synthesis of various American cultural values with the al-Qaeda ideology, they could potentially threaten al-Qaeda itself or force it to change.

Ha, that's one for a future SF novel, I suppose…

]]> By: Michael http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17252 Michael Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/05/the-importance-of-5gw.html#comment-17252 <p>I didn't go to college "for real" so I'm not terribly qualified to comment on life on campus (but I wouldn't have minded the sex part), but from what I've read, there is already plenty of support for pro-Islamist movements in the academy:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.stoptheism.com/?M=&T=313" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.stoptheism.com/?M=&T=313</a><br /> <br /> and<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.campus-watch.org/about.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.campus-watch.org/about.php</a><br /> <br /> I don't know that it is a stretch to think that inside of five years we'll see Che shirts give way to ones with OBL on the front.</p> I didn't go to college “for real” so I'm not terribly qualified to comment on life on campus (but I wouldn't have minded the sex part), but from what I've read, there is already plenty of support for pro-Islamist movements in the academy:

http://www.stoptheism.com/?M=&T=313

and

http://www.campus-watch.org/about.php

I don't know that it is a stretch to think that inside of five years we'll see Che shirts give way to ones with OBL on the front.

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