Comments on: Dreaming 5GW, Part VI: Dream of 5GW http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html All of us against the machine Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:17:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: 5GW Makes Use of Another Dimension to Conflict: Institutional « PurpleSlog http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-66456 5GW Makes Use of Another Dimension to Conflict: Institutional « PurpleSlog Sun, 04 May 2008 20:39:57 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html#comment-66456 [...] has proposed three kind of 5GW: insurgent 5GW, state-within 5GW, and the state-without 5GW. The last two of those (and perhaps all three) will [...] [...] has proposed three kind of 5GW: insurgent 5GW, state-within 5GW, and the state-without 5GW. The last two of those (and perhaps all three) will [...]

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17555 Dan tdaxp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html#comment-17555 <p>"Cui bono" is most useful when only a few capable actors exist. When their are many actors, though, suddenly there are many possible suspects, whether the good they are seeking is land, power, cash, or ideology. Add to that the notion of the "radical center" (extremists on both sides agreeing on middle-term objectives) and it becomes very hard to see indeed.<br /> <br /> Very good comment.</p> “Cui bono” is most useful when only a few capable actors exist. When their are many actors, though, suddenly there are many possible suspects, whether the good they are seeking is land, power, cash, or ideology. Add to that the notion of the “radical center” (extremists on both sides agreeing on middle-term objectives) and it becomes very hard to see indeed.

Very good comment.

]]> By: Adrian http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17556 Adrian Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html#comment-17556 <p>But the goal of these "nativists" is not to toughen border security. That is a means towards their goal - preservation of a specific strand of American culture and their own way of life. The hypothetical means of facilitating another terrorist attack in the US to tighten border security would work against their actual goal of preserving their way of life. So why would they do it? These 5GWarriors sound like very short-sighted nativists.... well then again perhaps this scenario is plausible, as nativists are short-sighted almost by definition!</p> But the goal of these “nativists” is not to toughen border security. That is a means towards their goal – preservation of a specific strand of American culture and their own way of life. The hypothetical means of facilitating another terrorist attack in the US to tighten border security would work against their actual goal of preserving their way of life. So why would they do it? These 5GWarriors sound like very short-sighted nativists…. well then again perhaps this scenario is plausible, as nativists are short-sighted almost by definition!

]]> By: Arherring http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html/comment-page-1#comment-17554 Arherring Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/07/31/dreaming-5gw-part-vi-dream-of-5gw.html#comment-17554 <p>Dan,<br /> <br /> I have always like this section of your original post. What strikes me as I re-read it is the similarity to a prototype/theorectical 5GW campaign that I recently imagined (posted over at the forum if you are interested). My 5GW however was almost from the opposite direction with Quedists formenting discord between immigrants and anti-immigrant groups. My campaign was a bit more ambitious in its goal but the result, with a few slight changes in the plan, could very well be exactly the same as your campaign outlined here.<br /> <br /> More than anything I think this shows how 5GW is 'secretwar' and strikes at the observe portion of the OODA. You can observe surface events that are almost identical but those responsible are completely different and desire completely different goals. This is why the classic question of "Cui Bono" becomes so murky with 5GW.</p> Dan,

I have always like this section of your original post. What strikes me as I re-read it is the similarity to a prototype/theorectical 5GW campaign that I recently imagined (posted over at the forum if you are interested). My 5GW however was almost from the opposite direction with Quedists formenting discord between immigrants and anti-immigrant groups. My campaign was a bit more ambitious in its goal but the result, with a few slight changes in the plan, could very well be exactly the same as your campaign outlined here.

More than anything I think this shows how 5GW is 'secretwar' and strikes at the observe portion of the OODA. You can observe surface events that are almost identical but those responsible are completely different and desire completely different goals. This is why the classic question of “Cui Bono” becomes so murky with 5GW.

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