There seems to be several kinds of 5G organizations under discussion
- The insurgent 5GW (the classical formulation)
- The state-within 5GW (where a clique inside the host society attempts to transform the host society)
- The state-without 5GW (where an operational arm of a government attacks a different society)
It seems that the latter two are capable of swarming, at least in principle, while the first is not.
Are these descriptions correct? Are there others?
“Something tells me that for orthogonality there should be a counterinsurgent 5GW, but I'm having trouble imagining what that looks like.”
Would that be an example of a state-within 5GW, as it's goal is to transform its host society to build either an autoimmunity, or else to takedown specific elements that it dislikes?
Curtis is thinking along the same lines [1]…
[1] http://www.fifthgeneration.phaticcommunion.com/archives/2007/07/defending_against_5gw.php
Dan,
Ii like your list. I think the descriptions (especially with the links) are accurate. Something tells me that for orthogonality there should be a counterinsurgent 5GW, but I'm having trouble imagining what that looks like.
Mike
Good list also. I think counterinsurgent 5GW may attack a 'state-without', encouraging the external social network to ally with 5GWarriors and whatever 'broader' or 'global' social network they represent, thus leading to a entire new 'state-beyond', to steal a term from Dan's post on the 18th of July(I think?). Counterinsurgent in this sense may be a subclassification of broader activities such as nation building. Obviously there are Barnettian overtones here, and I believe Curtis has also mentioned this in a previous post.
Hi Dan,
You nailed it, as did Curtis. The operative word you used is “autoimmunity”; that's what I was reaching for.
As always, I bow to your superior intellect!
Mike
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