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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/24/rational-agency-and-personhood.html/comment-page-1#comment-18348</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Two things.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; 1) From Ralph Waldo Emerson&#039;s essay, &quot;Intellect&quot; [1] --&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;What you have aggregated in a natural manner &lt;br /&gt; surprises and delights when it is produced. For we cannot oversee each other&#039;s secret. And hence the differences between men in natural endowment are insignificant in comparison with their common wealth. Do you think the porter and the cook have no anecdotes, no experiences, no wonders for you? Every body knows as much as the &lt;br /&gt; savant. The walls of rude minds are scrawled all over with facts, with thoughts. They shall one day bring a lantern and read the inscriptions.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; 2) Have you used reason to write your blog posts, or should the many typos frequently witnessed suggest to us that your blogger output is always a result of automaticity in action? ;)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.readprint.com/work-653/Ralph-Waldo-Emerson&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.readprint.com/work-653/Ralph-Waldo-Emerson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things.</p>
<p> 1) From Ralph Waldo Emerson&#39;s essay, &#8220;Intellect&#8221; [1] &#8211;</p>
<p> &#8220;What you have aggregated in a natural manner <br /> surprises and delights when it is produced. For we cannot oversee each other&#39;s secret. And hence the differences between men in natural endowment are insignificant in comparison with their common wealth. Do you think the porter and the cook have no anecdotes, no experiences, no wonders for you? Every body knows as much as the <br /> savant. The walls of rude minds are scrawled all over with facts, with thoughts. They shall one day bring a lantern and read the inscriptions.&#8221;</p>
<p> 2) Have you used reason to write your blog posts, or should the many typos frequently witnessed suggest to us that your blogger output is always a result of automaticity in action? <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.readprint.com/work-653/Ralph-Waldo-Emerson" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.readprint.com/work-653/Ralph-Waldo-Emerson</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/24/rational-agency-and-personhood.html/comment-page-1#comment-18349</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;BTW, I should add a #3:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; 3) Is this a new form of dualism you are proposing? (And if so, is that proposition a result of your rationality-a or your rationality-b?)&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I should add a #3:</p>
<p> 3) Is this a new form of dualism you are proposing? (And if so, is that proposition a result of your rationality-a or your rationality-b?)</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/24/rational-agency-and-personhood.html/comment-page-1#comment-18350</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;&quot;disorientation produced by orientation&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; --reminds me of some of my recent thoughts re: offloading [1] and the three &quot;types&quot; of activity I previously gave in my exploration of the OODA:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;Both reflexive/habitual acts (3) and impulsive acts (1) result from a habit of offloading cognitive processing and are in fact quite related by this feature.  The reflexive/habitual actor offloads onto the environment and other individuals:  he does not have to consciously process, or rationalize, related prevailing circumstances, because his cognition depends upon unchanging, familiar circumstances.  Other actors in his environment are expected to act in expected ways.  The impulsive actor also depends on unchanging and familiar circumstances; but his fault is the offloading of cognition, onto other actors and environmental conditions which he expects to remain the same but do not.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/10/offloading_and_5gw.php&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/10/offloading_and_5gw.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;disorientation produced by orientation&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8211;reminds me of some of my recent thoughts re: offloading [1] and the three &#8220;types&#8221; of activity I previously gave in my exploration of the OODA:</p>
<p> &#8220;Both reflexive/habitual acts (3) and impulsive acts (1) result from a habit of offloading cognitive processing and are in fact quite related by this feature.  The reflexive/habitual actor offloads onto the environment and other individuals:  he does not have to consciously process, or rationalize, related prevailing circumstances, because his cognition depends upon unchanging, familiar circumstances.  Other actors in his environment are expected to act in expected ways.  The impulsive actor also depends on unchanging and familiar circumstances; but his fault is the offloading of cognition, onto other actors and environmental conditions which he expects to remain the same but do not.&#8221;</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/10/offloading_and_5gw.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.dreaming5gw.com/2007/10/offloading_and_5gw.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Gale Weeks </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/24/rational-agency-and-personhood.html/comment-page-1#comment-18351</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Gale Weeks </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Final response for now (thanks for tweaking my mental juices!) --&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I think you have an assumption lurking in your post/thinking, which incidentally relates to the post from D5GW I linked above.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The assumption is this:  that prevailing circumstances, or The World in which a person may operate, is sometimes static.  I.e., you have a question in parts which a person must face:  Orient?  Dis-Orient? or Float with automaticity?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; But why, pray tell, would the option to **Float** ever occur, given the dynamism of Life, the Universe, and Everything?  (42 notwithstanding)  Or in other words, why wouldn&#039;t a person always be in a position to orient (which would often involve, also, dis-orienting)?&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Final response for now (thanks for tweaking my mental juices!) &#8211;</p>
<p> I think you have an assumption lurking in your post/thinking, which incidentally relates to the post from D5GW I linked above.</p>
<p> The assumption is this:  that prevailing circumstances, or The World in which a person may operate, is sometimes static.  I.e., you have a question in parts which a person must face:  Orient?  Dis-Orient? or Float with automaticity?</p>
<p> But why, pray tell, would the option to **Float** ever occur, given the dynamism of Life, the Universe, and Everything?  (42 notwithstanding)  Or in other words, why wouldn&#39;t a person always be in a position to orient (which would often involve, also, dis-orienting)?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Curtis,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Wow! That&#039;s what I call feedback.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Going through your points...&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Once a task goes into automaticity, it is both easy to perform and difficult to change.  So my typing, for instance, is cognitively simple for me but I find it very hard to correct my habit of bad spelling.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Not sure what you mean by dualism, but it certainly is a dual processing model of cognition [1]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Good tie-into offloading!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I don&#039;t assume a static world.  Consider finger-tip feeling in war: a dynamic, hostile, ambiguous environment is best dealt with through automated and semi-automated (gut feeling) on the part of experts.  Systematic warfare, the decision-oriented approach of the French, lead to a disasterous victory (World War I) followed by a disasterous defeat (World War II).&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/13/ooda-alpha-part-ii-dual-processing-systems.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/13/ooda-alpha-part-ii-dual-processing-systems.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis,</p>
<p> Wow! That&#39;s what I call feedback.</p>
<p> Going through your points&#8230;</p>
<p> Once a task goes into automaticity, it is both easy to perform and difficult to change.  So my typing, for instance, is cognitively simple for me but I find it very hard to correct my habit of bad spelling.</p>
<p> Not sure what you mean by dualism, but it certainly is a dual processing model of cognition [1]</p>
<p> Good tie-into offloading!</p>
<p> I don&#39;t assume a static world.  Consider finger-tip feeling in war: a dynamic, hostile, ambiguous environment is best dealt with through automated and semi-automated (gut feeling) on the part of experts.  Systematic warfare, the decision-oriented approach of the French, lead to a disasterous victory (World War I) followed by a disasterous defeat (World War II).</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/13/ooda-alpha-part-ii-dual-processing-systems.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/13/ooda-alpha-part-ii-dual-processing-systems.html</a></p>
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