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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pakistan in Collapse</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pakistan in Collapse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should do what we can to strengthen neighbors (Iran, India, China, etc), while coming up with smart policies that will allow us to firewall ourselves and our friends off from the worst of Pakistan&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should do what we can to strengthen neighbors (Iran, India, China, etc), while coming up with smart policies that will allow us to firewall ourselves and our friends off from the worst of Pakistan&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reread this post today, and I&#039;m skeptical of my words.

a) Pakistan is in much worse shape than many other states in the Gap
b) The Gap also encompasses states such as Venezuela and Russia

This makes it important to find the best of the Gap states, and attempt to move them up to the Seam, in the same way that we take Seam states, and try to move them into the New Core.

Engaging Iran has the benefit of limiting the bad effects of two major Gap actors (Russia and Pakistan), as well as potentially lifting one Gap state up to the Seam (Iran itself).

Instead of a brute firewall, some form of smart filtering is probably more appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reread this post today, and I&#8217;m skeptical of my words.</p>
<p>a) Pakistan is in much worse shape than many other states in the Gap<br />
b) The Gap also encompasses states such as Venezuela and Russia</p>
<p>This makes it important to find the best of the Gap states, and attempt to move them up to the Seam, in the same way that we take Seam states, and try to move them into the New Core.</p>
<p>Engaging Iran has the benefit of limiting the bad effects of two major Gap actors (Russia and Pakistan), as well as potentially lifting one Gap state up to the Seam (Iran itself).</p>
<p>Instead of a brute firewall, some form of smart filtering is probably more appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian </title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Well you seem to be suggesting she was assassinated because her killers were offended that women are involved in politics.  I think even if Bhutto was male, she&#039;d have been killed for her pro-Western image.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you seem to be suggesting she was assassinated because her killers were offended that women are involved in politics.  I think even if Bhutto was male, she&#39;d have been killed for her pro-Western image.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian </title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure how much her death has to do with her gender - my guess is that it was all politics.  Plenty of men in political office are assassinated as well.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not sure how much her death has to do with her gender &#8211; my guess is that it was all politics.  Plenty of men in political office are assassinated as well.</p>
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		<title>By: NYkrinDC </title>
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		<dc:creator>NYkrinDC </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Dan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; It isn&#039;t that we are surprised, but more that we are looking for what comes next. Bhutto&#039;s death is not a surprise because militants had promised to kill her should she return to Pakistan. Add to that the fact that she allied herself with Musharraf, and her list of enemies increases exponentially, including Musharraf himself, who as you noted in Soob&#039;s blog likely was responsible through an act of omission, as in not supplying her with enough security, a constant complaint of hers. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; As for firewalling ourselves from the Islamic Gap, I think Barnett has argued that such a move will not work since the pain will eventually make it to our shores.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p> It isn&#39;t that we are surprised, but more that we are looking for what comes next. Bhutto&#39;s death is not a surprise because militants had promised to kill her should she return to Pakistan. Add to that the fact that she allied herself with Musharraf, and her list of enemies increases exponentially, including Musharraf himself, who as you noted in Soob&#39;s blog likely was responsible through an act of omission, as in not supplying her with enough security, a constant complaint of hers. </p>
<p> As for firewalling ourselves from the Islamic Gap, I think Barnett has argued that such a move will not work since the pain will eventually make it to our shores.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay@Soob </title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay@Soob </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Is the idea to allow the Islamic Gap to finally implode to the level of the African gap and then rebuild? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I&#039;m not sure our relationship with India (or China for that matter) would allow us to simply firewall Pakistan. Maybe sans nukes but as it stands...&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the idea to allow the Islamic Gap to finally implode to the level of the African gap and then rebuild? </p>
<p> I&#39;m not sure our relationship with India (or China for that matter) would allow us to simply firewall Pakistan. Maybe sans nukes but as it stands&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay@Soob </title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay@Soob </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Oh and I agree, her death comes as little surprise. In fact I&#039;m surprised it took so long. Sounds pretty cold but there it is.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I agree, her death comes as little surprise. In fact I&#39;m surprised it took so long. Sounds pretty cold but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;The National-Secular-Socialist wave in the Muslim world seems to have lasted from the 1940s to the 1970s, with minimal gains made into the 1990s.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Thus, it seems that truly bad ideas in the Muslim world take two generations to discredit themselves.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; We can wait out Islamism for a similar time period, while we concentrate on the softer target of Africa for integration.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; NYkrinDC,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Of course the pain will reach our shores.  Sadly, the sort of renching social reform the Muslim world needs will increase the generated pain in the near and medium term.  We need to make sure the feedback of the Muslim world goes back into the muslim world, and isn&#039;t allowed to export itself to us.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Jay,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s possible for the muslim world to lose enough infrastructure to fall to African levels.  Frankly, I doubt it.  Fortunately, all we need to do is wait out the current really bad idea (and keep doing so until they stabilize in some form of corrupt system that we can work with.)&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National-Secular-Socialist wave in the Muslim world seems to have lasted from the 1940s to the 1970s, with minimal gains made into the 1990s.</p>
<p> Thus, it seems that truly bad ideas in the Muslim world take two generations to discredit themselves.</p>
<p> We can wait out Islamism for a similar time period, while we concentrate on the softer target of Africa for integration.</p>
<p> NYkrinDC,</p>
<p> Of course the pain will reach our shores.  Sadly, the sort of renching social reform the Muslim world needs will increase the generated pain in the near and medium term.  We need to make sure the feedback of the Muslim world goes back into the muslim world, and isn&#39;t allowed to export itself to us.</p>
<p> Jay,</p>
<p> I&#39;m not sure it&#39;s possible for the muslim world to lose enough infrastructure to fall to African levels.  Frankly, I doubt it.  Fortunately, all we need to do is wait out the current really bad idea (and keep doing so until they stabilize in some form of corrupt system that we can work with.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McIntosh </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan McIntosh </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;&quot;but really, it doesn&#039;t effect our lies.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Interesting typo, that.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but really, it doesn&#39;t effect our lies.&#8221;</p>
<p> Interesting typo, that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Adrian,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;I&#039;m not sure how much her death has to do with her gender - my guess is that it was all politics.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Why are sex and politics distinct categories?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Dan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; LOL!  I guess that was the first Freudian skepticism-of-public-diplomacy Slip! :-)&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p> &#8220;I&#39;m not sure how much her death has to do with her gender &#8211; my guess is that it was all politics.&#8221;</p>
<p> Why are sex and politics distinct categories?</p>
<p> Dan,</p>
<p> LOL!  I guess that was the first Freudian skepticism-of-public-diplomacy Slip! <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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