Comments on: Submission to Allah, whether you like it or not

By: Jay@Soob

Jay@Soob — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for both links!

By: Jeffrey James

Jeffrey James — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

In the tradition of Voltaire, I hope the charges get dropped, but at the same time I feel a bitter taste in my mouth defending an Evangelical Christian Zionist who loosely wields accusations of anti-Semitism towards critics of Israeli policy despite the fact that Christian Zionism is ironical just another brand of anti-Semitism upon further examination.

Also, Pat Condell of Youtube fame has some rather choice videos on Europe's concessions to Islamic radicals in the name of cultural sensitivity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI5WoXpmPiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHh0NdR5Jh0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7iBoq_yC4k

By: Dan tdaxp

Dan tdaxp — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Do you have a complete list of persons, parties, and possessions on government property that I am free to destroy, vandalize, harass, etc.,?

The Islamists are kind enough to have shura councils to decide such extralegal violence. Do you have such a structure, or we do go by your intuition?

By: J. Kauffman

J. Kauffman — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I think it's pretty clear that I think the government should always protect free speech.

I think you're over reacting a little bit. I believe, like most people on the planet, that if the government is violating the law then the citizens have a responsibility to act. If it isn't a law violation then as a private citizen I accept the consequences of being imprisoned for fighting Nazi's. I never once said that anyone would be free from punishment. While I personally would love for Nazi protests to be met with violence, I would also hope that the police would be there to stop the violence and punish those who committed it. I have never suggested that punishment not be a consuquence.

However, as far as the nativity goes, I believe it's placement is illegal, and I'm sure the courts will agree.

I think you're trying to stretch what I'm saying to a place that I never alluded to. I have never suggested that anyone should be "free" to destroy anything.

By: Dan tdaxp

Dan tdaxp — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

You didn't answer my question, so I'll ask in another way:

What methodology are you using for determining which political parties, protests, and partisans should be met with violence? Or is this political violence to be determined by your gut?

By: J. Kauffman

J. Kauffman — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Absolutely. The government should maintain peace and order to allow free speech. But as a private citizen I would do my part to stop those who preach violence against me.

Also - If you are at all referring to violence against free speech in relation to a nativity scene rather than the Nazi's then you're logic is flawed. I see the nativity's presence as a violation of the law. Citizens reacting against it would not be citizens stifling free speech. It would be citizens protecting the constitution.

By: Jay@Soob

Jay@Soob — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Jeff,
No, just an exhibition of my own intellectual selfishness in wanting to keep focus on the villainy of the British authorities:)

Dan,
Have you ever read any of Andrew Whitehead's stuff from Anti-CAIR?

By: Dan tdaxp

Dan tdaxp — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Relatedly, J Kauffman does not urge -- but is "sympathetic" -- to violence against speech he dislikes [1].

Jay,

Not that I recall.

[1] http://kauffmanreport.blogspot.com/2007/12/nativity-scene-on-capitol-grounds.html#c2037968487969669372

By: Jeffrey James

Jeffrey James — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

"I share your "bitter taste" but I find the heavy handed virtual attempt at mind control exhibited here by the British authorities even worse."

You took the words out of my mouth. Did I sound like I was asserting something else?

By: Dan tdaxp

Dan tdaxp — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

For reasons that are too easy to grasp, NPR chose to sympathetically feature CAIR's [1] attempted iconoclasm of Muhammad from the Supreme Court building last night. (This is old news [2], of course.)

"Islamofascism" or whatever is not an existential threat to the United States. Political Islam, however, may be an existential threat to free speech in the west.

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/06/12/american-muslims-don-t-care-for-cair.html
[2] http://michellemalkin.com/2006/02/06/so-will-our-supreme-court-be-next/