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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19266</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Aaron,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Economic growth is faster than population growth or growth in resource consumption.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Hence it&#039;s cheaper to &quot;buy back&quot; the effects the longer you wait.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p> Economic growth is faster than population growth or growth in resource consumption.  </p>
<p> Hence it&#39;s cheaper to &#8220;buy back&#8221; the effects the longer you wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19264</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Moon,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Clark argues that East Asia had higher populations than Europe because of better sanitation.  Of course, this meant lower living standards in East Asia too -- with fewer people, Europeans had a richer diet and were less likely to die of starvation.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moon,</p>
<p> Clark argues that East Asia had higher populations than Europe because of better sanitation.  Of course, this meant lower living standards in East Asia too &#8212; with fewer people, Europeans had a richer diet and were less likely to die of starvation.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19265</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;OK, this one I&#039;ll bite on.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; The population is also compounding.  I&#039;d like to see your calculation where human effect on environment intersects with technological ability to confront it.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this one I&#39;ll bite on.</p>
<p> The population is also compounding.  I&#39;d like to see your calculation where human effect on environment intersects with technological ability to confront it.</p>
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		<title>By:  Moon </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19263</link>
		<dc:creator> Moon </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Regarding natural selection, plagues may also be considered Malthusian checks.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding natural selection, plagues may also be considered Malthusian checks.</p>
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		<title>By:  ElamBend </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19267</link>
		<dc:creator> ElamBend </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Some of the physical differences can be also explained by quality of diet.  Europeans were getting the required calories to survive, but from poor sources.  A partial explanation of the growth of heights in Europe and among Europeans and Africans in N. America is improving diet, this is how Michael Jordan can be 6&#039;6&quot; while no one in the two generations before him surpassed 6 foot.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the physical differences can be also explained by quality of diet.  Europeans were getting the required calories to survive, but from poor sources.  A partial explanation of the growth of heights in Europe and among Europeans and Africans in N. America is improving diet, this is how Michael Jordan can be 6&#39;6&#8243; while no one in the two generations before him surpassed 6 foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19268</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;ElamBend,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;Some of the physical differences can be also explained by quality of diet.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Agreed, this is my point.  As I wrote in the post:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;So the Sioux were taller than some of the European settlers, because their more violent society was healthier for those who lived.&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Less people to divide available calories between = better diet = healthier society for those who lived.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ElamBend,</p>
<p> &#8220;Some of the physical differences can be also explained by quality of diet.&#8221;</p>
<p> Agreed, this is my point.  As I wrote in the post:</p>
<p> &#8220;So the Sioux were taller than some of the European settlers, because their more violent society was healthier for those who lived.&#8221;</p>
<p> Less people to divide available calories between = better diet = healthier society for those who lived.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19269</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;So you would posit there&#039;s no point of no return?&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you would posit there&#39;s no point of no return?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19270</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;&quot;So you would posit there&#039;s no point of no return?&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What are the points of no return?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Certainly they exist for both genetic/cultural divergence and climate change.  But you can&#039;t say one needs to be focused on rather than the other because of a &quot;point of no return,&quot; because both problems have it as some point.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So you would posit there&#39;s no point of no return?&#8221;</p>
<p> What are the points of no return?</p>
<p> Certainly they exist for both genetic/cultural divergence and climate change.  But you can&#39;t say one needs to be focused on rather than the other because of a &#8220;point of no return,&#8221; because both problems have it as some point.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19271</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Well, if we&#039;ll assume numerical values, I do truly wonder where the point is that we say &quot;OK, with X climate change, we lose/gain Y food growing regions and kill/displace Z people.  If population grows at A, and technology grows at rate B, when can good Christians square with it?&quot;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; That is typical Aaron hyperbole, but I guess on a blog where we examine race in genetic constructs and female intelligence by brain volume (neither of which I disagree with, damn science-blind wing of the liberal party) then surely we can say &quot;X 3rd world country folk can die so American captains of industry don&#039;t have to take Y% paycuts.&quot;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if we&#39;ll assume numerical values, I do truly wonder where the point is that we say &#8220;OK, with X climate change, we lose/gain Y food growing regions and kill/displace Z people.  If population grows at A, and technology grows at rate B, when can good Christians square with it?&#8221;</p>
<p> That is typical Aaron hyperbole, but I guess on a blog where we examine race in genetic constructs and female intelligence by brain volume (neither of which I disagree with, damn science-blind wing of the liberal party) then surely we can say &#8220;X 3rd world country folk can die so American captains of industry don&#39;t have to take Y% paycuts.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/14/when-we-began.html/comment-page-1#comment-19272</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Aaron,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; You seem to be describing a public policy approach to climate change.  This was addressed in some depth in Bjorn Lomborg&#039;s &quot;Cool It&quot; [1,2]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Cool-Skeptical-Environmentalists-Global-Warming/dp/0307266923&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Cool-Skeptical-Environmentalists-Global-Warming/dp/0307266923&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/12/review-of-chill-out-the-skeptical-environmentalist-s-guide-t.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/12/review-of-chill-out-the-skeptical-environmentalist-s-guide-t.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p> You seem to be describing a public policy approach to climate change.  This was addressed in some depth in Bjorn Lomborg&#39;s &#8220;Cool It&#8221; [1,2]</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cool-Skeptical-Environmentalists-Global-Warming/dp/0307266923" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Cool-Skeptical-Environmentalists-Global-Warming/dp/0307266923</a><br /> [2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/12/review-of-chill-out-the-skeptical-environmentalist-s-guide-t.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/10/12/review-of-chill-out-the-skeptical-environmentalist-s-guide-t.html</a></p>
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