Comments on: Identity Politics: Hillary and Barack http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html High-minded, fanatically malthusian perspectives Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:18:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eddie http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html/comment-page-1#comment-5726 Eddie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html#comment-5726 <p>He should unload on her over trying to suppress the vote in Nevada of especially Latino service workers. I'd run ads in Cali, NY & elsewhere detailing her fake "concern and respect" for Latinos.<br /> <br /> However, she's succeeded in knocking him off his pedestal and has likely soured many Latinos on voting for him, not to mention whites.<br /> <br /> His best bet is to respond in kind and go nuclear on her over her blatant dirty tricks, her Iraq lies (like not reading the national intelligence estimate on Iraq before voting for war somehow makes her presidential?) and her husband's shoddy record.</p> He should unload on her over trying to suppress the vote in Nevada of especially Latino service workers. I’d run ads in Cali, NY & elsewhere detailing her fake “concern and respect” for Latinos.

However, she’s succeeded in knocking him off his pedestal and has likely soured many Latinos on voting for him, not to mention whites.

His best bet is to respond in kind and go nuclear on her over her blatant dirty tricks, her Iraq lies (like not reading the national intelligence estimate on Iraq before voting for war somehow makes her presidential?) and her husband’s shoddy record.

]]> By: J.Kauffman http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html/comment-page-1#comment-5727 J.Kauffman Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html#comment-5727 <p>If he knocked her on her stance on Iraq then it would come back to hurt him just as much. Hillary made Iraq an issue in the Nevada debate because she has the momentum on it. <br /> Bringing up Obama's past statments saying that he wouldn't ever vote for Iraq spending unless it had a timetable measure, and then voting for it anyway is kind of iffy. <br /> I think her reasoning for not reading the NIE on Iraq is sound. She was briefed by the authors themselves over what the report said, a privelage not everyone could get.</p> If he knocked her on her stance on Iraq then it would come back to hurt him just as much. Hillary made Iraq an issue in the Nevada debate because she has the momentum on it.
Bringing up Obama’s past statments saying that he wouldn’t ever vote for Iraq spending unless it had a timetable measure, and then voting for it anyway is kind of iffy.
I think her reasoning for not reading the NIE on Iraq is sound. She was briefed by the authors themselves over what the report said, a privelage not everyone could get.

]]> By: Dan tdaxp http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html/comment-page-1#comment-5728 Dan tdaxp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html#comment-5728 <p>Eddie,<br /> <br /> I fear that Clinton is purposefully trying to run an ethnically polarizing campaign, since the white vote alone is enough to get her the nomination [1]. Thus when Obama criticizes her for such tactics, he plays into her hands.<br /> <br /> J,<br /> <br /> As you mentioned, Clinton's positions are often identical to or stronger than Obama's.<br /> <br /> The Democratic Primary Nomination in 2008 looks a lot like the general election of 1960, where the difference was one of style, not substance. (The only difference, I guess, is that in 1960, but candidates openly self-identified as "liberals"!)<br /> <br /> [1] <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a86pY4CBoF0U" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a86pY4CBoF0U</a></p> Eddie,

I fear that Clinton is purposefully trying to run an ethnically polarizing campaign, since the white vote alone is enough to get her the nomination [1]. Thus when Obama criticizes her for such tactics, he plays into her hands.

J,

As you mentioned, Clinton’s positions are often identical to or stronger than Obama’s.

The Democratic Primary Nomination in 2008 looks a lot like the general election of 1960, where the difference was one of style, not substance. (The only difference, I guess, is that in 1960, but candidates openly self-identified as “liberals”!)

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a86pY4CBoF0U

]]> By: Michael http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html/comment-page-1#comment-5729 Michael Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/01/16/identity-politics-hillary-and-barack.html#comment-5729 <p>Depressing update to the story; let's hope the commenters are correct who insist this is just the work of a few political operatives.<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3216586.ece" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3216586.ece</a></p> Depressing update to the story; let’s hope the commenters are correct who insist this is just the work of a few political operatives.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3216586.ece

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