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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; When Stalinism is a Good Thing</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; When Stalinism is a Good Thing</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] evolutionary consequences of these actions have been described by Greg Clark in his history, A Farewell to Alms. In the context of generations, it was not obvious which of these is the best strategy. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PurpleSlog </title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleSlog </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I just started reading this book over the weekend. It is fascinating.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just started reading this book over the weekend. It is fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: vimothy </title>
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		<dc:creator>vimothy </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I&#039;m about a third of the way through it.  It is a really interesting read.  However, Clark does say some pretty wild things.  I&#039;m not going to dismiss him as a crank, but his position on (economic) institutions, for e.g., seems to be at odds with most of his profession.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Here&#039;s Robert Solow defending institutional economics:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Clark&#039;s pessimism about closing the gap between the successful and less successful economies may derive from the belief that nothing much can change unless and until the mercantile and industrial virtues seep down into a large part of the population, as he thinks they did in preindustrial England. That could be a long wait. If that is his basic belief, it would seem to be roundly contradicted by the extraordinary sustained growth of China and, a bit more recently, India. Embarrassingly for Clark, both of those success stories seem to have been set off by institutional changes, in particular moves away from centralized control and toward an open-market economy.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.ft.com/crookblog/2007/11/solow-on-clark.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.ft.com/crookblog/2007/11/solow-on-clark.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Bryan Caplan&#039;s series of reviews / posts in response are well worth the read:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/09/a_farewell_to_a.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/09/a_farewell_to_a.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m about a third of the way through it.  It is a really interesting read.  However, Clark does say some pretty wild things.  I&#39;m not going to dismiss him as a crank, but his position on (economic) institutions, for e.g., seems to be at odds with most of his profession.</p>
<p> Here&#39;s Robert Solow defending institutional economics:</p>
<p> Clark&#39;s pessimism about closing the gap between the successful and less successful economies may derive from the belief that nothing much can change unless and until the mercantile and industrial virtues seep down into a large part of the population, as he thinks they did in preindustrial England. That could be a long wait. If that is his basic belief, it would seem to be roundly contradicted by the extraordinary sustained growth of China and, a bit more recently, India. Embarrassingly for Clark, both of those success stories seem to have been set off by institutional changes, in particular moves away from centralized control and toward an open-market economy.</p>
<p> <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/crookblog/2007/11/solow-on-clark.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.ft.com/crookblog/2007/11/solow-on-clark.html</a></p>
<p> Bryan Caplan&#39;s series of reviews / posts in response are well worth the read:</p>
<p> <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/09/a_farewell_to_a.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2007/09/a_farewell_to_a.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Purpleslog,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Agreed!&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; vimothy,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I wonder how far Clark actually goes in his anti-institutionalist bent.  He mentions Communism in passing as economically backwards, so clearly he has some view of its importance.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I took the book as an argument for the view that individual differences combined with economic system explain much of the variation in national wealth.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purpleslog,</p>
<p> Agreed!</p>
<p> vimothy,</p>
<p> I wonder how far Clark actually goes in his anti-institutionalist bent.  He mentions Communism in passing as economically backwards, so clearly he has some view of its importance.  </p>
<p> I took the book as an argument for the view that individual differences combined with economic system explain much of the variation in national wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Vimothy </title>
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		<dc:creator>Vimothy </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;dan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; He actually accuses the economics profession of peddling un-provable idiocies, myths that institutions affect growth.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; For instance,  have a look at this conversation between Clark and James Robinson of Harvard.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Clark:  Jim&#039;s statement is a spirited summary of economists&#039; beliefs, but not an appeal to any compelling facts. It is a statement of faith, a Nicene Creed. It shows the yearning, the longing, of economists for eventual salvation through institutions. The facts, however, are that the Industrial Revolution was the result of cultural changes in England, not better incentives. By 1800 in successful economies people had embraced &quot;thrift, prudence, negotiation, and hard work.&quot; In most failed economies it is the failure of people to embrace these bourgeois values that explains economic failure.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119135743412446729.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119135743412446729.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan,</p>
<p> He actually accuses the economics profession of peddling un-provable idiocies, myths that institutions affect growth.</p>
<p> For instance,  have a look at this conversation between Clark and James Robinson of Harvard.</p>
<p> Clark:  Jim&#39;s statement is a spirited summary of economists&#39; beliefs, but not an appeal to any compelling facts. It is a statement of faith, a Nicene Creed. It shows the yearning, the longing, of economists for eventual salvation through institutions. The facts, however, are that the Industrial Revolution was the result of cultural changes in England, not better incentives. By 1800 in successful economies people had embraced &#8220;thrift, prudence, negotiation, and hard work.&#8221; In most failed economies it is the failure of people to embrace these bourgeois values that explains economic failure.</p>
<p> <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119135743412446729.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119135743412446729.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;vimothy,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Agreed on the criticisms.  While Clark doesn&#039;t appear to be an evolutionary psychologist, his perspective is very close to the Tooby/Cosmides &quot;Psychological Foundations of Culture&quot; line.  In other words, he apparently views culture as merely a product of psychology, so therefore institutions are the result of psychology, and not a cause.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; [1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/12/31/guns-genomes-and-steel.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/12/31/guns-genomes-and-steel.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vimothy,</p>
<p> Agreed on the criticisms.  While Clark doesn&#39;t appear to be an evolutionary psychologist, his perspective is very close to the Tooby/Cosmides &#8220;Psychological Foundations of Culture&#8221; line.  In other words, he apparently views culture as merely a product of psychology, so therefore institutions are the result of psychology, and not a cause.</p>
<p> [1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/12/31/guns-genomes-and-steel.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2007/12/31/guns-genomes-and-steel.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vimothy </title>
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		<dc:creator>Vimothy </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;dan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are you familiar with Michael Shermer?  He works along similar vectors, but is less anti-economics and doesn&#039;t rely on such a contentious reading of Malthus.  There&#039;s a good recording of a recent talk at Cato on their website here:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=4297&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=4297&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan,</p>
<p> Are you familiar with Michael Shermer?  He works along similar vectors, but is less anti-economics and doesn&#39;t rely on such a contentious reading of Malthus.  There&#39;s a good recording of a recent talk at Cato on their website here:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=4297" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/event.php?eventid=4297</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vimothy </title>
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		<dc:creator>Vimothy </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Also, institutional economics explicitly recognises the role that norms and values have in gestating and supporting institutions.  For instance, to quote North et al from their paper, &quot;Order, disorder and economic change&quot;:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &quot;The place to begin is the beliefs held by the members of society, because it is the beliefs which translate into the institutions which shape performance. Shared mental models reflecting a common belief system will translate into a set of institutions broadly conceived to be legitimate.&quot;&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, institutional economics explicitly recognises the role that norms and values have in gestating and supporting institutions.  For instance, to quote North et al from their paper, &#8220;Order, disorder and economic change&#8221;:</p>
<p> &#8220;The place to begin is the beliefs held by the members of society, because it is the beliefs which translate into the institutions which shape performance. Shared mental models reflecting a common belief system will translate into a set of institutions broadly conceived to be legitimate.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp </title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;I haven&#039;t read Shermer&#039;s latest work, but I have been disappointed whenever I have come across him.  He seems much better as a rhetorical bomb thrower (as seen in Why People Believe Weird Things) than as someone who transmits productive ideas: but again, I haven&#039;t read his latest, so perhaps this has changed.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#39;t read Shermer&#39;s latest work, but I have been disappointed whenever I have come across him.  He seems much better as a rhetorical bomb thrower (as seen in Why People Believe Weird Things) than as someone who transmits productive ideas: but again, I haven&#39;t read his latest, so perhaps this has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Vimothy </title>
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		<dc:creator>Vimothy </dc:creator>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Right -- I assume that&#039;s the Skeptic Magazine stuff he mentions in the talk.  Not familiar with that at all, I&#039;m afraid.  I was mentioning him really as someone who melds science and economics with perhaps more success (though perhaps less verve) than Clark.&lt;/p&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right &#8212; I assume that&#39;s the Skeptic Magazine stuff he mentions in the talk.  Not familiar with that at all, I&#39;m afraid.  I was mentioning him really as someone who melds science and economics with perhaps more success (though perhaps less verve) than Clark.</p>
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