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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; China, Learning and Growing Stronger</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; China, Learning and Growing Stronger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/09/all-people-who-support-china-should-support-the-olympic-protests.html/comment-page-1#comment-61837</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ktchong,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Written by David Petreaus, a WHITE man.

Just because he might have fucked a couple of Chinese women does NOT make him Chinese or “a part of the family”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What are you talking about?

The idea of a synogynophilic CINCCENTCOM-designate [1] adopting writing on this blog is as wonderful as it is improbable!

ouou,

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is quite a BS. There is public expectation how protesters should behave in a peaceful fashion. You can hold placards, you can yell slogans, and you can get your messages out loud. But you CAN”T physically touch or attack the oppsition. The point of a protest is to get your messages arcoss in a peaceful way, not in a froceful way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good points.  While &quot;civil disobedience&quot; (the calculated use of violence against property) has proven effective in certain situations, in general demonstrators attempt to incite their opponents to attack them.  So, say, the labeling of Grace Wang [2] as a hanjian [3] and the biological attack on her home [4] is an example of foolish actions by Chinese students.


[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/23/david-petreaus-commander-in-chief-central-command.html
[2] http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/grace-wang-and-chinese-nationalism/
[3] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/12/tibet-should-remain-a-part-of-china.html
[4] http://archive.uwire.com/2008/04/16/duke-students-home-vandalized-in-china/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ktchong,</p>
<blockquote><p>Written by David Petreaus, a WHITE man.</p>
<p>Just because he might have fucked a couple of Chinese women does NOT make him Chinese or “a part of the family”.</p></blockquote>
<p>What are you talking about?</p>
<p>The idea of a synogynophilic CINCCENTCOM-designate [1] adopting writing on this blog is as wonderful as it is improbable!</p>
<p>ouou,</p>
<blockquote><p>This is quite a BS. There is public expectation how protesters should behave in a peaceful fashion. You can hold placards, you can yell slogans, and you can get your messages out loud. But you CAN”T physically touch or attack the oppsition. The point of a protest is to get your messages arcoss in a peaceful way, not in a froceful way.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good points.  While &#8220;civil disobedience&#8221; (the calculated use of violence against property) has proven effective in certain situations, in general demonstrators attempt to incite their opponents to attack them.  So, say, the labeling of Grace Wang [2] as a hanjian [3] and the biological attack on her home [4] is an example of foolish actions by Chinese students.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/23/david-petreaus-commander-in-chief-central-command.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/23/david-petreaus-commander-in-chief-central-command.html</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/grace-wang-and-chinese-nationalism/" rel="nofollow">http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/grace-wang-and-chinese-nationalism/</a><br />
[3] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/12/tibet-should-remain-a-part-of-china.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/12/tibet-should-remain-a-part-of-china.html</a><br />
[4] <a href="http://archive.uwire.com/2008/04/16/duke-students-home-vandalized-in-china/" rel="nofollow">http://archive.uwire.com/2008/04/16/duke-students-home-vandalized-in-china/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ktchong</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/09/all-people-who-support-china-should-support-the-olympic-protests.html/comment-page-1#comment-61739</link>
		<dc:creator>ktchong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Written by David Petreaus, a WHITE man.

Just because he might have fucked a couple of Chinese women does NOT make him Chinese or &quot;a part of the family&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Written by David Petreaus, a WHITE man.</p>
<p>Just because he might have fucked a couple of Chinese women does NOT make him Chinese or &#8220;a part of the family&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ouou</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/09/all-people-who-support-china-should-support-the-olympic-protests.html/comment-page-1#comment-61715</link>
		<dc:creator>ouou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite a BS. There is public expectation how protesters should behave in a peaceful fashion. You can hold placards, you can yell slogans, and you can get your messages out loud. But you CAN&quot;T physically touch or attack the oppsition. The point of a protest is to get your messages arcoss in a peaceful way, not in a froceful way. That&#039;s Protest 101 for you Tibetans and Tibet Activists. When you cross the line in a rather forceful or a violent way, you should expect that police force in the West or in China will beat the crap out of you and rightfully so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite a BS. There is public expectation how protesters should behave in a peaceful fashion. You can hold placards, you can yell slogans, and you can get your messages out loud. But you CAN&#8221;T physically touch or attack the oppsition. The point of a protest is to get your messages arcoss in a peaceful way, not in a froceful way. That&#8217;s Protest 101 for you Tibetans and Tibet Activists. When you cross the line in a rather forceful or a violent way, you should expect that police force in the West or in China will beat the crap out of you and rightfully so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/09/all-people-who-support-china-should-support-the-olympic-protests.html/comment-page-1#comment-53598</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure I still have a copy of khanate.com somewhere..  it was a nifty site [1]:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Years ago I ran khanate.com, and the old site was mirrored on my old USD webspace while I was a student there. Khanate was a mirthful attempt to spoof a telecom service provider that was also the front for a separatist organization. It was part of the larger Paedia webspace, which may have hosted the world’s first blog (Progress @ Paedia). An irate reader gave me my first death threat. He threatened to kill my family too. The FBI got involved.

Status: Rejected&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, Russians.  The only non-Islamic group of guys who ever threatened to kill me.

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/05/16/rejected-tdaxp-banners.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure I still have a copy of khanate.com somewhere..  it was a nifty site [1]:</p>
<blockquote><p> Years ago I ran khanate.com, and the old site was mirrored on my old USD webspace while I was a student there. Khanate was a mirthful attempt to spoof a telecom service provider that was also the front for a separatist organization. It was part of the larger Paedia webspace, which may have hosted the world’s first blog (Progress @ Paedia). An irate reader gave me my first death threat. He threatened to kill my family too. The FBI got involved.</p>
<p>Status: Rejected</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, Russians.  The only non-Islamic group of guys who ever threatened to kill me.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/05/16/rejected-tdaxp-banners.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/05/16/rejected-tdaxp-banners.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Republican Crimean Khanatism&quot;

Sign me up.  

We need a t-shirt and a bumper sticker.

Did you ever read &quot;The Island of Crimea&quot; (1984) by Vassily Aksyonov?  In it Crimea is an island, and the Whites retreat there during the Civil War and hold out against the Bolsheviks, so it becomes a Russian Taiwan.  I read it way back when.  I recall it was good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Republican Crimean Khanatism&#8221;</p>
<p>Sign me up.  </p>
<p>We need a t-shirt and a bumper sticker.</p>
<p>Did you ever read &#8220;The Island of Crimea&#8221; (1984) by Vassily Aksyonov?  In it Crimea is an island, and the Whites retreat there during the Civil War and hold out against the Bolsheviks, so it becomes a Russian Taiwan.  I read it way back when.  I recall it was good.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tibet WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE&#8230; well, what, exactly?</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tibet WAS, IS, and ALWAYS WILL BE&#8230; well, what, exactly?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ElamBend</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElamBend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biz and Dan,
I myself have been wondering how the CCP was a) going to stop protesters from entering the country b) react when some non-Chinese protesters unfurl a banner in a public (and recorded) place.  Some of the reaction of the blue-clad protectors of the flame do not engender confidence in a calm response.  

One of my old professors wrote a book about &quot;God&#039;s Chinese Son&quot;:
http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Chinese-Son-Taiping-Heavenly/dp/B000B85BGY/ref=pd_sim_b_title_3

It&#039;s a very interesting use of a &#039;foreign&#039; religion to agitate against a larger power and an interesting case where the Manchu&#039;s come out looking better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biz and Dan,<br />
I myself have been wondering how the CCP was a) going to stop protesters from entering the country b) react when some non-Chinese protesters unfurl a banner in a public (and recorded) place.  Some of the reaction of the blue-clad protectors of the flame do not engender confidence in a calm response.  </p>
<p>One of my old professors wrote a book about &#8220;God&#8217;s Chinese Son&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Chinese-Son-Taiping-Heavenly/dp/B000B85BGY/ref=pd_sim_b_title_3" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Chinese-Son-Taiping-Heavenly/dp/B000B85BGY/ref=pd_sim_b_title_3</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very interesting use of a &#8216;foreign&#8217; religion to agitate against a larger power and an interesting case where the Manchu&#8217;s come out looking better.</p>
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		<title>By: ry</title>
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		<dc:creator>ry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Looks like you made it onto someone&#039;s radar screen, Dan, if you&#039;re getting the &#039;political freedom=chaos&#039; stuff from pro CCP posters.  Funny how they show up.

Which was my point to ortho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Looks like you made it onto someone&#8217;s radar screen, Dan, if you&#8217;re getting the &#8216;political freedom=chaos&#8217; stuff from pro CCP posters.  Funny how they show up.</p>
<p>Which was my point to ortho.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lexington,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Listen, son. Here’s how you do it. Pick a side, and start hurling invective. Otherwise you are just some kind of isolated crazy person looking at facts, evidence, applying rationality, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s the way to go.  For a side: I pick Republican Crimean Khanatism.  Over time, you will graduatelly see this blog change from my attempt to understand the world to a home of increasingly paranoid rants against my movement&#039;s many oppressors, including especially a shadowy conspiracy between Moscow, Kiev, and the always-threatening Giray dynasty.

biz,

Props for the props.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My concern will be the level of protest that will be presented at the actual games. Will there be protesters disrupting events? Will the Chinese police/military get carried away and kill an American/European protestor accidentally? How much international damage could be caused by an overzealous rifle butt placed to the side of a hippies head?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

American blood in Tiananmen would definitely complicate things.

Incentivist,

The Taiping Rebellion (which was as Christian as Louis Farrakhan is Muslim) was the bloodiest of a series of attempts to liberate China from Manchu domination.  

A better mirror to the past is the end of the Cultural Revolution.  The People&#039;s Liberation Army restored order by declaring its dominance in cities, and killing those who made trouble.  It was a very effective solution to the problem.  It also was a bloodbath.  

One of the Party&#039;s problems is that it views that ruleset as still successful and appropriate, so attempts to use it in Tibet and other provinces.  This is too bad, because what is needed moving forward is de-escalation, not an internal civil war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lexington,</p>
<blockquote><p>Listen, son. Here’s how you do it. Pick a side, and start hurling invective. Otherwise you are just some kind of isolated crazy person looking at facts, evidence, applying rationality, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the way to go.  For a side: I pick Republican Crimean Khanatism.  Over time, you will graduatelly see this blog change from my attempt to understand the world to a home of increasingly paranoid rants against my movement&#8217;s many oppressors, including especially a shadowy conspiracy between Moscow, Kiev, and the always-threatening Giray dynasty.</p>
<p>biz,</p>
<p>Props for the props.</p>
<blockquote><p>My concern will be the level of protest that will be presented at the actual games. Will there be protesters disrupting events? Will the Chinese police/military get carried away and kill an American/European protestor accidentally? How much international damage could be caused by an overzealous rifle butt placed to the side of a hippies head?</p></blockquote>
<p>American blood in Tiananmen would definitely complicate things.</p>
<p>Incentivist,</p>
<p>The Taiping Rebellion (which was as Christian as Louis Farrakhan is Muslim) was the bloodiest of a series of attempts to liberate China from Manchu domination.  </p>
<p>A better mirror to the past is the end of the Cultural Revolution.  The People&#8217;s Liberation Army restored order by declaring its dominance in cities, and killing those who made trouble.  It was a very effective solution to the problem.  It also was a bloodbath.  </p>
<p>One of the Party&#8217;s problems is that it views that ruleset as still successful and appropriate, so attempts to use it in Tibet and other provinces.  This is too bad, because what is needed moving forward is de-escalation, not an internal civil war.</p>
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