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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Rule of Law in a Free Society</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-76283</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Rule of Law in a Free Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Texas raided the FDLS compound, taking every child from his and her parents, I criticizerd Texas. When the courts ruled that this was an abuse of power, I praised the courts. D.M.&#8217;s unhappy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Texas raided the FDLS compound, taking every child from his and her parents, I criticizerd Texas. When the courts ruled that this was an abuse of power, I praised the courts. D.M.&#8217;s unhappy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Religious Tolerance, after they take the kids</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-74934</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Religious Tolerance, after they take the kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Texas raided the Yearming for Zion compound of a small religious minority, the Fundementalist Church of Latter Day Saints, I wrote: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-74661</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cambriane,

From your link:

&lt;blockquote&gt;BEWARE of racially intolerant white canadian cops and security and their henchmen who claim to be despots&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Will do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cambriane,</p>
<p>From your link:</p>
<blockquote><p>BEWARE of racially intolerant white canadian cops and security and their henchmen who claim to be despots</p></blockquote>
<p>Will do!</p>
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		<title>By: Cambriane</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-73611</link>
		<dc:creator>Cambriane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 06:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North American racism is obnoxious and dehumanizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North American racism is obnoxious and dehumanizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-62496</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half Sigma [1] and iSteve [2] have more thought-provoking takes on this.

[1] http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/04/texas-protects.html
[2] http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/04/economics-of-eldorado.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half Sigma [1] and iSteve [2] have more thought-provoking takes on this.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/04/texas-protects.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/04/texas-protects.html</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/04/economics-of-eldorado.html" rel="nofollow">http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/04/economics-of-eldorado.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Texas</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-61316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ry

We have as another data point the fact that the Texas CPS investigated the Branch Davidians for allegations of child abuse without the widespread loss of life that happened when the Feds got involved a few months later.

I am not sure why you describe the Branch Davidian&#039;s building as &quot;bunker like&quot;.  It looked a lot like the La Quinta Hotel I stayed at on my last business trip.  The construction seemed to be standard 2X4 or 2X6 and fiber board or vinyl siding.  Usually &lt;a href=&quot;www.442ndrct.com/FM5-15_1944.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bunkers &lt;/a&gt; are built of stronger stuff.

I don&#039;t think that the fruit of the poisoned tree works in this case because law officers who were acting in good faith, even if on the basis of what may turn out to be a prank call, observed evidence of criminal activity when they entered the ranch.  IANAL so I don&#039;t know if that is how it works outside the 9th Circuit, but I think that it has a pretty good chance of standing up to the initial appeals.

What is the process that exists for dealing with a geographically wide spread group of legally savvy bigamists and child molesters who routinely hide or falsify legal documents and suborn perjury in addition to their other unsavory habits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ry</p>
<p>We have as another data point the fact that the Texas CPS investigated the Branch Davidians for allegations of child abuse without the widespread loss of life that happened when the Feds got involved a few months later.</p>
<p>I am not sure why you describe the Branch Davidian&#8217;s building as &#8220;bunker like&#8221;.  It looked a lot like the La Quinta Hotel I stayed at on my last business trip.  The construction seemed to be standard 2X4 or 2X6 and fiber board or vinyl siding.  Usually <a href="www.442ndrct.com/FM5-15_1944.pdf" rel="nofollow">bunkers </a> are built of stronger stuff.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the fruit of the poisoned tree works in this case because law officers who were acting in good faith, even if on the basis of what may turn out to be a prank call, observed evidence of criminal activity when they entered the ranch.  IANAL so I don&#8217;t know if that is how it works outside the 9th Circuit, but I think that it has a pretty good chance of standing up to the initial appeals.</p>
<p>What is the process that exists for dealing with a geographically wide spread group of legally savvy bigamists and child molesters who routinely hide or falsify legal documents and suborn perjury in addition to their other unsavory habits?</p>
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		<title>By: ry</title>
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		<dc:creator>ry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Seerov that this is a COnstitutional nightmare.  This sounds like a breach of the 4th Amendments guarantee against &quot;unreasonable search and seizure&quot;.  We&#039;ve got a bogus phone call, and it would seem that this DNA thing is a fishing expedition(which could and I would ventrue so far as to say should be considered the fruit of the poison tree) that the gov&#039;t really has no reason to begin in the first place.  

It&#039;s a freakin&#039; nightmare.  Sure, I don&#039;t like what they(the FLDS)do, but the means by which the gov&#039;t is going about this is just wrong on so many levels.  THere&#039;s a reason there are limits placed on how the gov&#039;t can and will go about these things.  There exists already a process for doing this, and by not following it, well, we&#039;ll see what comes out of that Pandora&#039;s box.

Mark in Texas, that seems a rather odd observation.  I mean, couldn&#039; there be a massive difference between the BD and FLDS in how they react to intrusions?  Cou;dn&#039;t there be a difference in how the FLDS has, oh, I dunno, armed or not armed themselves?  Isn&#039;t a rather diffuse looking set of ranch homes a lot different than a single bunker like building that the BD had?  I just don&#039;t get how you get to where you got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Seerov that this is a COnstitutional nightmare.  This sounds like a breach of the 4th Amendments guarantee against &#8220;unreasonable search and seizure&#8221;.  We&#8217;ve got a bogus phone call, and it would seem that this DNA thing is a fishing expedition(which could and I would ventrue so far as to say should be considered the fruit of the poison tree) that the gov&#8217;t really has no reason to begin in the first place.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a freakin&#8217; nightmare.  Sure, I don&#8217;t like what they(the FLDS)do, but the means by which the gov&#8217;t is going about this is just wrong on so many levels.  THere&#8217;s a reason there are limits placed on how the gov&#8217;t can and will go about these things.  There exists already a process for doing this, and by not following it, well, we&#8217;ll see what comes out of that Pandora&#8217;s box.</p>
<p>Mark in Texas, that seems a rather odd observation.  I mean, couldn&#8217; there be a massive difference between the BD and FLDS in how they react to intrusions?  Cou;dn&#8217;t there be a difference in how the FLDS has, oh, I dunno, armed or not armed themselves?  Isn&#8217;t a rather diffuse looking set of ranch homes a lot different than a single bunker like building that the BD had?  I just don&#8217;t get how you get to where you got.</p>
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		<title>By: biz</title>
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		<dc:creator>biz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the ACLU is getting involved.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/20/polygamy.sect/

&gt;&gt; Of course, Seerov might well be correct and it is just a matter of Texans being less inclined to White Supremacism than Canadians.

There&#039;s someone more inclined to white supremacism than Texans? That&#039;s just crazy talk.

This is sure to be just a mess.  The state government might have had good intentions going in, they had a plan to take the place over and get rid of the bad guys, but now they don&#039;t have a plan. Some sort of &quot;exit strategy&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the ACLU is getting involved.<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/20/polygamy.sect/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/20/polygamy.sect/</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Of course, Seerov might well be correct and it is just a matter of Texans being less inclined to White Supremacism than Canadians.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s someone more inclined to white supremacism than Texans? That&#8217;s just crazy talk.</p>
<p>This is sure to be just a mess.  The state government might have had good intentions going in, they had a plan to take the place over and get rid of the bad guys, but now they don&#8217;t have a plan. Some sort of &#8220;exit strategy&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Seerov&#039;s analysis of the article and its application to the polygamous Mormon community.  Their practices are abhorrent to most Americans but unlike multiculti protected groups, they cannot play the race card as a get out of jail free card.

In any event, the multiculti defense for statutory rape doesn&#039;t work all that well in Texas.  The news regularly carries stories of some man in his twenties or thirties being convicted for having sex with a girl in her early teens.  The plea that &quot;It&#039;s common where I come from in Mexico&quot; is usually met with the answer that you are not in Mexico and when you get out of prison and are deported back there, you can indulge yourself with all the thirteen year olds you want.

Of course, Seerov might well be correct and it is just a matter of Texans being less inclined to White Supremacism than Canadians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Seerov&#8217;s analysis of the article and its application to the polygamous Mormon community.  Their practices are abhorrent to most Americans but unlike multiculti protected groups, they cannot play the race card as a get out of jail free card.</p>
<p>In any event, the multiculti defense for statutory rape doesn&#8217;t work all that well in Texas.  The news regularly carries stories of some man in his twenties or thirties being convicted for having sex with a girl in her early teens.  The plea that &#8220;It&#8217;s common where I come from in Mexico&#8221; is usually met with the answer that you are not in Mexico and when you get out of prison and are deported back there, you can indulge yourself with all the thirteen year olds you want.</p>
<p>Of course, Seerov might well be correct and it is just a matter of Texans being less inclined to White Supremacism than Canadians.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/04/17/religious-intolerance.html/comment-page-1#comment-59507</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seerov,

Someone class to me (referring to an Islamic charter school in Minneapolis) made a similar point: the governmental support of a Muslim counterculture is distasteful partially because of the callousness the government has shown to the passing of traditional rural culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seerov,</p>
<p>Someone class to me (referring to an Islamic charter school in Minneapolis) made a similar point: the governmental support of a Muslim counterculture is distasteful partially because of the callousness the government has shown to the passing of traditional rural culture.</p>
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