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	<title>Comments on: Jeremiah Wright&#8217;s Speech on Race, and What It Says about Nominations</title>
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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pro-Criminal Rally turns Violent</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pro-Criminal Rally turns Violent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back in April, I wrote &#8220;My suspicion at the time of the Jena 6 nonsense was that it was an attempt by black leaders to harm ....&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Obama Movement</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Obama Movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] smart, clearly. He gives great speeches, abandons friends who may embarras him (Jeremiah Wright, Robert Malley [2]), took on the Clinton, and massages [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent,

Your comment is very insightful.

It&#039;s clear one of the reasons that the Democratic Congressional Leadership supports Obama rather than Clinton is that the Clinton&#039;s have a machine that is intertwined with but independent of the Democratic Party.  Obama doesn&#039;t.  

His agenda will be naturally hostage to what Pelosi and Reid value, more so than Clintons  (who love to &quot;triangulate&quot;) or McCain (who likewise has worked across-the-aisle on high-intensity issues).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent,</p>
<p>Your comment is very insightful.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear one of the reasons that the Democratic Congressional Leadership supports Obama rather than Clinton is that the Clinton&#8217;s have a machine that is intertwined with but independent of the Democratic Party.  Obama doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>His agenda will be naturally hostage to what Pelosi and Reid value, more so than Clintons  (who love to &#8220;triangulate&#8221;) or McCain (who likewise has worked across-the-aisle on high-intensity issues).</p>
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		<title>By: Brent Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Eddie is suggesting a best case scenario for the Obama administration, and I agree that the Obama presidency he&#039;s suggesting could be very constructive. But two factors make me doubt that Obama will nominate Republicans to any high profile posts: 

1). As the Obsidian Wings link mentions, Obama has worked across the ailse on several low intensity issues. While non-proliferation and avian flu prepardness are important, these matters don&#039;t require a person to take a great deal of risk or expend political capital but appointing members of the opposite party to your cabinet might require both. 

2). On a related front, President Obama will be under tremendous pressure to take a victory lap, so-to-speak, assuming the Democrats have a great year down ticket. With an expanded majority in both houses (maybe filibuster proof?) the leadership on the Hill will be in no mood for bipartisanship. They&#039;ll approve whoever he appoints, but if he appoints someone they don&#039;t like or pays too much deference to Republicans they can stall his legislative agenda, especially when I think its safe to say that an important Senator named Joe Biden wants either state or defense. 

So even if Obama really does wants a bipartisan cabinet, he won&#039;t be able to do it without taking a huge gamble, something he has rarely done in either the U.S. or Illinois State Senate(1). 

Presidents don&#039;t get to vote &quot;present&quot;. 

(1)http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Eddie is suggesting a best case scenario for the Obama administration, and I agree that the Obama presidency he&#8217;s suggesting could be very constructive. But two factors make me doubt that Obama will nominate Republicans to any high profile posts: </p>
<p>1). As the Obsidian Wings link mentions, Obama has worked across the ailse on several low intensity issues. While non-proliferation and avian flu prepardness are important, these matters don&#8217;t require a person to take a great deal of risk or expend political capital but appointing members of the opposite party to your cabinet might require both. </p>
<p>2). On a related front, President Obama will be under tremendous pressure to take a victory lap, so-to-speak, assuming the Democrats have a great year down ticket. With an expanded majority in both houses (maybe filibuster proof?) the leadership on the Hill will be in no mood for bipartisanship. They&#8217;ll approve whoever he appoints, but if he appoints someone they don&#8217;t like or pays too much deference to Republicans they can stall his legislative agenda, especially when I think its safe to say that an important Senator named Joe Biden wants either state or defense. </p>
<p>So even if Obama really does wants a bipartisan cabinet, he won&#8217;t be able to do it without taking a huge gamble, something he has rarely done in either the U.S. or Illinois State Senate(1). </p>
<p>Presidents don&#8217;t get to vote &#8220;present&#8221;. </p>
<p>(1)http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama&#039;s co-sponsorship record is fair praise, is then his voting record [1] fair criticism?

Given the choice between a centrist Democrat who rules through the party, and a liberal Democrat who forms alliances of convenience, I&#039;d take outcomes (centrist policies) over process (bipartisanship).

[1] http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama&#8217;s co-sponsorship record is fair praise, is then his voting record [1] fair criticism?</p>
<p>Given the choice between a centrist Democrat who rules through the party, and a liberal Democrat who forms alliances of convenience, I&#8217;d take outcomes (centrist policies) over process (bipartisanship).</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/" rel="nofollow">http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at his legislative record in the Senate, where almost every bill was co-sponsored with a Republican and focused on attainable legislative goals, the very real perception among Republicans that Obama will in fact ask several to serve in his cabinet if he is elected and the fact that I find your whole obsession with Rev. Wright, black liberation theology and Obama to be bewildering. 

More on his bipartisan record in the Senate...

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html

I am also impressed by the fact that as I said before, he has mentioned Republicans by name (Hagel, Lugar) for important roles in his administration. To me that is the sort of cabinet we need for any administration, Republican or Democrat, where the president selects the best people for the position. I understand the need for trust and general ideological cohesiveness, but that has seemingly rarely been the case in most administrations in any way so why limit the pool to just one political party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at his legislative record in the Senate, where almost every bill was co-sponsored with a Republican and focused on attainable legislative goals, the very real perception among Republicans that Obama will in fact ask several to serve in his cabinet if he is elected and the fact that I find your whole obsession with Rev. Wright, black liberation theology and Obama to be bewildering. </p>
<p>More on his bipartisan record in the Senate&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html" rel="nofollow">http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2006/10/barack_obama.html</a></p>
<p>I am also impressed by the fact that as I said before, he has mentioned Republicans by name (Hagel, Lugar) for important roles in his administration. To me that is the sort of cabinet we need for any administration, Republican or Democrat, where the president selects the best people for the position. I understand the need for trust and general ideological cohesiveness, but that has seemingly rarely been the case in most administrations in any way so why limit the pool to just one political party?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie,

I&#039;m not sure what you mean.  The possibilities I see are:

a) You hope Obama will surround himself with various politicians from all parties.
b) You have seen him do this.
c) You see him supporting those who hold contrary positions, and elevating them to positions of trust.

Could you clarify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean.  The possibilities I see are:</p>
<p>a) You hope Obama will surround himself with various politicians from all parties.<br />
b) You have seen him do this.<br />
c) You see him supporting those who hold contrary positions, and elevating them to positions of trust.</p>
<p>Could you clarify?</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see him surrounding himself with various politicians from both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see him surrounding himself with various politicians from both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama Disowns Jeremiah Wright, but not Black Liberation Theology</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama Disowns Jeremiah Wright, but not Black Liberation Theology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie,

Are you judging Obama by his words, or who he has surrounded himself with in the past?

Seerov,

Wright appears to be distance between mean white and mean black scores in general intelligence, and recognizing both that this leads to different normative behavior and that practice can nonetheless lead to excellent performance with some domains.

I fear his valid point in this one area will be lost in the sea of nonsense in which is bobs adrift.

David Hallowell,

JustOneMinute tracks the story [1], while Sharpton joins the fray [2].

My suspicion at the time of the Jena 6 nonsense  was that it was an attempt by black leaders to harm Obama, to show their power and ability to extort him in the future.  This appears to be round 2.

[1] http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/feelin-bad-for.html
[2] http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie,</p>
<p>Are you judging Obama by his words, or who he has surrounded himself with in the past?</p>
<p>Seerov,</p>
<p>Wright appears to be distance between mean white and mean black scores in general intelligence, and recognizing both that this leads to different normative behavior and that practice can nonetheless lead to excellent performance with some domains.</p>
<p>I fear his valid point in this one area will be lost in the sea of nonsense in which is bobs adrift.</p>
<p>David Hallowell,</p>
<p>JustOneMinute tracks the story [1], while Sharpton joins the fray [2].</p>
<p>My suspicion at the time of the Jena 6 nonsense  was that it was an attempt by black leaders to harm Obama, to show their power and ability to extort him in the future.  This appears to be round 2.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/feelin-bad-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/feelin-bad-for.html</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm</a></p>
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