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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/09/mccain-for-georgia-obama-for-russia.html/comment-page-1#comment-120687</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I disagree with your article on two fronts. First, Obama first argued that both Russia and Georgia must stop their aggressive actions. If you recall, Georgia invaded south Ossestia - a break away Province that declared de facto independence. Russia intervened to protect their interest in Ossetia. At this time Obama stated that both states must stop the violence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You note that Georgia did not use interstate war as a method of exporting power, while Russia did.  This is correct, and of course a knock against Russia. [1]

&lt;blockquote&gt;Than, Russia continued to advanced within the borders of Georgia. And than Obama attacked Russia.

I believe that Obama was the right person in this situation, as he assessed the situation as an objective and independent person. I rather have my President think of what’s best for America independently rather than express his own predisposition toward another state. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Russia is rightfully a state of concern [2], and if he does not recognize it (as you seem to imply he does not), that is a knock against Obama.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I find McCain is to aggressive. He is ready to exert America’s military muscle and power at any chance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your last sentence is absurd, and is not worth comment.

Jeffrey,

You are welcome back any time.  

Monitoring of language is an important tool, because it prevents one from falling into logical fallacies too easily.

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/14/war-is-bad.html
[2] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/14/russia-is-bad.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<blockquote><p>I disagree with your article on two fronts. First, Obama first argued that both Russia and Georgia must stop their aggressive actions. If you recall, Georgia invaded south Ossestia &#8211; a break away Province that declared de facto independence. Russia intervened to protect their interest in Ossetia. At this time Obama stated that both states must stop the violence.</p></blockquote>
<p>You note that Georgia did not use interstate war as a method of exporting power, while Russia did.  This is correct, and of course a knock against Russia. [1]</p>
<blockquote><p>Than, Russia continued to advanced within the borders of Georgia. And than Obama attacked Russia.</p>
<p>I believe that Obama was the right person in this situation, as he assessed the situation as an objective and independent person. I rather have my President think of what’s best for America independently rather than express his own predisposition toward another state. </p></blockquote>
<p>Russia is rightfully a state of concern [2], and if he does not recognize it (as you seem to imply he does not), that is a knock against Obama.</p>
<blockquote><p>I find McCain is to aggressive. He is ready to exert America’s military muscle and power at any chance.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your last sentence is absurd, and is not worth comment.</p>
<p>Jeffrey,</p>
<p>You are welcome back any time.  </p>
<p>Monitoring of language is an important tool, because it prevents one from falling into logical fallacies too easily.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/14/war-is-bad.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/14/war-is-bad.html</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/14/russia-is-bad.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/14/russia-is-bad.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ogilvie</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/09/mccain-for-georgia-obama-for-russia.html/comment-page-1#comment-120036</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ogilvie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with your article on two fronts. First, Obama first argued that both Russia and Georgia must stop their aggressive actions. If you recall, Georgia invaded south Ossestia - a break away Province that declared de facto independence. Russia intervened to protect their interest in Ossetia. At this time Obama stated that both states must stop the violence. 

Than, Russia continued to advanced within the borders of Georgia. And than Obama attacked Russia. 

I believe that Obama was the right person in this situation, as he assessed the situation as an objective and independent person. I rather have my President think of what&#039;s best for America independently rather than express his own predisposition toward another state. 

I find McCain is to aggressive. He is ready to exert America&#039;s military muscle and power at any chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your article on two fronts. First, Obama first argued that both Russia and Georgia must stop their aggressive actions. If you recall, Georgia invaded south Ossestia &#8211; a break away Province that declared de facto independence. Russia intervened to protect their interest in Ossetia. At this time Obama stated that both states must stop the violence. </p>
<p>Than, Russia continued to advanced within the borders of Georgia. And than Obama attacked Russia. </p>
<p>I believe that Obama was the right person in this situation, as he assessed the situation as an objective and independent person. I rather have my President think of what&#8217;s best for America independently rather than express his own predisposition toward another state. </p>
<p>I find McCain is to aggressive. He is ready to exert America&#8217;s military muscle and power at any chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey James</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/09/mccain-for-georgia-obama-for-russia.html/comment-page-1#comment-119359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what?  Between this and some other mysteriously disappearing posts of mine, I think it is best that I don&#039;t come back here until the election is over.  That way I will give you time to get the fanaticism out of your system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what?  Between this and some other mysteriously disappearing posts of mine, I think it is best that I don&#8217;t come back here until the election is over.  That way I will give you time to get the fanaticism out of your system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey James</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/09/mccain-for-georgia-obama-for-russia.html/comment-page-1#comment-119356</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey James</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/08/09/mccain-for-georgia-obama-for-russia.html/comment-page-1#comment-119355</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What profanity do you speak up?  Even if there was profanity, I find it funny that you found it necessary to throw the baby out with the bath water than, dare I suggest, deleting the offending word/s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What profanity do you speak up?  Even if there was profanity, I find it funny that you found it necessary to throw the baby out with the bath water than, dare I suggest, deleting the offending word/s.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffrey&#039;s comment included profanity, and has been removed.

To address Jeffrey&#039;s point, however, the only anti-Obama reference in my post was in response to Obama&#039;s politicization of the issue.  The Obama campaign chose to use the invasion of Georgia as a pretext of for accusing McCain of having ties to pro-Georgian lobbyists.

I doubt this is standard practice for Obama.  The next time Hezbollah or Hamas abducts an Israeli, I doubt Obama will accuse McCain of being too close to Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey&#8217;s comment included profanity, and has been removed.</p>
<p>To address Jeffrey&#8217;s point, however, the only anti-Obama reference in my post was in response to Obama&#8217;s politicization of the issue.  The Obama campaign chose to use the invasion of Georgia as a pretext of for accusing McCain of having ties to pro-Georgian lobbyists.</p>
<p>I doubt this is standard practice for Obama.  The next time Hezbollah or Hamas abducts an Israeli, I doubt Obama will accuse McCain of being too close to Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seraphiel,

&lt;blockquote&gt;. Already the US is not very loved in Europa because of its aggressive politics. Bush did one thing very well and that was that he showed the world the true face of the US.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since Bush became President, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, and Bulgaria have joined NATO[1], while the Crezh Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus Romania, and Bulgaria have joined the EU [2].  With respect to Europe, Bush&#039;s major substantive accomplishment has been to enable the further consolidation of EU/NATO and to permanently roll-back Russian influence to a great extent.

The next logical success, for either a McCain or an Obama administration, is Ukraine [3].  Putin, a leader with a penchant for alienating friends [4], has just made this more likely.  In a way, we should be thankful for the Putin administration.  

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Expansion_and_restructuring
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Eastern_bloc_enlargements.  
[3] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/28/ukraine-belongs-in-europe.html
[4] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/14/the-descent-of-russia.html
[5] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/11/23/give-thanks-for-putin.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seraphiel,</p>
<blockquote><p>. Already the US is not very loved in Europa because of its aggressive politics. Bush did one thing very well and that was that he showed the world the true face of the US.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Bush became President, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Romania, and Bulgaria have joined NATO[1], while the Crezh Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus Romania, and Bulgaria have joined the EU [2].  With respect to Europe, Bush&#8217;s major substantive accomplishment has been to enable the further consolidation of EU/NATO and to permanently roll-back Russian influence to a great extent.</p>
<p>The next logical success, for either a McCain or an Obama administration, is Ukraine [3].  Putin, a leader with a penchant for alienating friends [4], has just made this more likely.  In a way, we should be thankful for the Putin administration.  </p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Expansion_and_restructuring" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Expansion_and_restructuring</a><br />
[2] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Eastern_bloc_enlargements" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union#Eastern_bloc_enlargements</a>.<br />
[3] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/28/ukraine-belongs-in-europe.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/10/28/ukraine-belongs-in-europe.html</a><br />
[4] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/14/the-descent-of-russia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/02/14/the-descent-of-russia.html</a><br />
[5] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/11/23/give-thanks-for-putin.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2006/11/23/give-thanks-for-putin.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Seraphiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraphiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be fun if the Americans voted for John McCain as president. The US could make its standpoint on the world more clear. Already the US is not very loved in Europa because of its aggressive politics. Bush did one thing very well and that was that he showed the world the true face of the US. McCain would probably show this even more, by it&#039;s aggressive standpoint towards Russia. America loses its credibility by the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be fun if the Americans voted for John McCain as president. The US could make its standpoint on the world more clear. Already the US is not very loved in Europa because of its aggressive politics. Bush did one thing very well and that was that he showed the world the true face of the US. McCain would probably show this even more, by it&#8217;s aggressive standpoint towards Russia. America loses its credibility by the day.</p>
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