Miscegenation in American Politics

I had previously known that Vice President Curtis as American Indian, in the sense that Barack Obama is black (both being racially admixed). I had not realized that Vice President Johnson (the least famous one) openly lived with an octoroon who acted both as his common law wife and business manager.

Barack Obama less represents a “post-racial America” than an America waking up from a weird historical period where race was considered a central organizational principle. Race was not so privileged during the Revolution — the bill of rights is clearly a set of laws for the monied and/or landed — and is not so now.

Related: Sino-American Miscegenation in Shanghai (1936).

16 thoughts on “Miscegenation in American Politics”

  1. VP Curtis was also the first VP to be a baptized Catholic. His mom’s family of Kaw attended Potwatomi Jesuit services in St. Marys, Kansas. However, his father’s branch was United Methodist and he was brought up in that faith.

  2. It is indeed a common misconception that racism was in the 16th, 17th, and early 18th centuries exactly what it is now … some literary criticism, in fact, misreads present-day institutional/political/social racism into texts that predate these concepts.

  3. “Barack Obama less represents a “post-racial America” than an America waking up from a weird historical period where race was considered a central organizational principle. Race was not so privileged during the Revolution — the bill of rights is clearly a set of laws for the monied and/or landed — and is not so now” (tdaxp)

    Not even close, actually the exact opposite. Until recently, race was never part of politics. Politics was based on class. The Democrats were the party of the working man, and GOP of the rich. After the 60’s, when government was no longer willing to protect white communities, white people had to start thinking about racial interest at the implicit level.

    This gave the GOP an opportunity. The GOP would pretend to serve white racial interests, and in return, big business would win elections again. The GOP could never win for 50 years because the Democrat’s made sure white workers had decent lifestyles. But the sixties changed that when the elites understood that they could transfer resources from the white middle class to blacks and later Hispanics. So they’d force bus blacks into white communities, force whites to hire blacks regardless of qualifications, build section 8 housing in the suburbs. They did all this because blacks were willing to burn stuff down and kill white people, but the white middle class wasn’t willing to do the same. American blacks were also potential insurgents for soviet subversion. The big developers got into it too, as they knew whites would leave the cities of the NE and MW once Southern blacks showed up. The also supported so called “civil rights” for rhetorical reasons as well. How could America “Spread Democracy” when everyone wasn’t “equal” at home?

    So this brings us to today. The elites have less and less use for middle class whites except to fight their wars. It’s a lot easier to bring in poor mestizos to do labor work, and bring in Asians to do thinking work. The white working and middle classes are just in the way. They expect too high of a standard of living, so they’re being “improved” by the whole “diversity is strength” (DIS) program. The white middles class is being “DISSED” through the polices of forced integration, mass immigration, and psychological warfare in the form of being called “raci$t” if they show even the slightest form of resentment to the race replacement process. In fact, being a “raci$t” is worse than anything today. Even a child molester receives more sympathy.

    Of course, despite what we’re told on college campuses and in the media, whites are human. So there will come a time when whites start pursuing their racial interests explicitly, and at the same level of intensity as everyone else. And this is when all hell is going to break loose. Because the biggest threat to the elite power structure is the day whites stop going along with the whole “diversity is strength” charade. When this day comes, the “war on terror” is going to turn into a “war on hate.” Anyone can be a “terrorist,” it just a matter of who threatens the interests of the elites.

    So you’re wrong on this Dan Tdaxp, the time of racial politics has just began. America is no longer a country, as it’s a group of interest groups. And while whites have been socialized to see identity politics as evil, this can’t last forever. Someone once said that “all politics are local.” This may be right, but as of 4 November 2008, ALL POLITICS ARE RACIAL.

  4. Miscegenation now, Miscegenation tomorrow, Miscegenation forever! The idea of ‘whiteness’ is a construct that is misunderstood by both black and white chauvinist. We’ve been hanging out by the woodpile from before the nations beginning and it will never change. Immigrant groups come to this county and begin either mixing in very quickly or assimilating into ‘whiteness.’ Italians and Paddies, formerly non-white sub-breeds [I’m joking], now white. Only blacks remain as the other, though the big secret is that 80% of African Americans have European heritage (and often blue blood at that). Those of us with European blood can be proud of the fact that unlike most other racial groups, we are the MOST LIKELY to miscegenate among all racial groups, and right here in America, we live in the great petri dish of world history. It’s shame we won’t be around to see the results a thousand years from now. I have no doubts that it will be cool.

  5. Primrose Road,

    Well said. It’s very easy to read a story that features tribalism, or religious factionalism, or something else as a story of race. By reading our experiences into these old texts we not only fail to understand the story as it was written — we oversimplify the world in ways which may make us make serious mistakes in our own lives.

    Seerov,

    While I think you in general overstate your case, the central insight that you are pointing out is that a “post-racial politics” is hardly possible when race-based rent seeking is a prominent part of political life.

    This is exactly what Affirmative Action is.

    I’ve called on Obama to denounce affirmative action before. [1] It’s now 8 months later, but the advice is just as wise now.

    ElamBend,

    America’s great story of assimilation extends to all races. As you point out, the “black” genome is 80% white in America. The greatest challenge we face is with descendants of American slaves. They (as opposed to those of other races, or “blacks” more recently from the Carribean or Africa) have serious socio-cultural deficits that there are no easy ways of overcoming.

    [1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/03/05/barack-obama-should-denounced-affirmative-action-and-race-based-politics.html

  6. “post-racial politics” is hardly possible when race-based rent seeking is a prominent part of political life.” (Dan Tdaxp)

    You’re absolutely right. The problem is it doesn’t look like race based rent seeking is going away. In fact, one could probably make the argument that its getting worse. So my analysis is based on what is, not how we’d like things to be.

    “Those of us with European blood can be proud of the fact that unlike most other racial groups, we are the MOST LIKELY to miscegenate among all racial groups,” (Elambend)

    Interesting, can you point me to the evidence that supports this?

    “Miscegenation now, Miscegenation tomorrow, Miscegenation forever! ”
    (Elambend)

    Yes, some do encourage miscegenation as the FINAL SOLUTION to the “race problem.” What I find most interesting about this final solution, is its generally directed towards people of European descent. IOW, I’ve never heard anyone suggest that Jews and Arabs procreate to end the troubles in the Middle East? Another thing I find intriguing about this final solution to the white problem, is it usually comes from the mouths of white people who don’t practice what they preach? So this leads me to ask:

    Are you doing your part in the final solution for the white problem? IOW, as a person of European descent, are you currently married to, or dating a non-white?

    Nevertheless, this doesn’t change the fact that we’re headed towards unstable times. And while you’re free to breed with you wish, we need to at least start thinking about how were going to manage the multi-ethnic state that is coming before us. The elites have their idea, and that’s the implementation of the police state (hate crimes laws, patriot acts, anti-Western propaganda in the schools and media, group based guilt socialization), the problem is, these States have a history of failure.

    What makes things even more challenging is the emotion involved in this issue. Ethnic identity is very sensitive, and adults can become very child-like when discussing this issue. All reason and logic ceases to exist, and the potential for violence even becomes possible. But if we don’t talk about it, it only gets worse. Its like an individual with personal issues that refuses to acknowledge them. The issues get worse and worse and one day, this individual ends up flying of the handle. I’m trying to stop this country from flying off the handle. Just like the person in therapy, we need to have an honest discussion, and admit certain facts even when they’re difficult to face up to. Unforchunatly, I don’t think the political class is capable of this?

  7. If I remember correctly, the American group most likely to outbreed are American Indians, followed by black males and asian females. Black females and asian males are least likely to marry outside of their race. [1]

    Of the politically prominent interracial couples that come to mind:

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Labor Secretary Elaine Chao
    Senator Jim Webb and Hong Le Webb
    Barack Obama Sr. and Dr. Ann Dunham

    2 are white male/asian female arnd one is black male/white female.

    Of course, American whites (compared to European whites) are much more likely to marry of across ancestral nationalities… my mix of German-English-Irish-Scot-Irish is very common in the United States, but probably quite rare in Europe.

    Likewise, the iron grip the Germanic and British peoples have on the Presidency (a pattern that continues with our President-Elect) owes a lot to the willingness of these group to marry out of their ancestral communities.

    Assoritve mating takes place on lines other than race, or lines that correlate partially with skin color. So even a great deal of miscegenation won’t necessarily end either racial distinctions or skin color differences.

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage#Interracial_marriage_by_pairing

  8. “Are you doing your part in the final solution for the white problem? IOW, as a person of European descent, are you currently married to, or dating a non-white?”

    Not dating or married to ANYBODY at the moment, thanks for rubbing it in!*sticks tongue out, goes for chocolate fix*

  9. Where’s Elambend?

    Anyway,

    “Likewise, the iron grip the Germanic and British peoples have on the Presidency (a pattern that continues with our President-Elect) owes a lot to the willingness of these group to marry out of their ancestral communities.” (Dan Tdaxp)

    What does this mean? Germanic people have an iron grip on the Presidency becuase they’re willing to breed outside their ancestral communities?

    It is true that Germans have dominated the Com&Chf position. No Slavs, Jews, Balts, Mediterraneans, Greeks. I can’t even think of a Scots Irish? Maybe there’s a chance for me?

    Maybe people will vote for me totally out of belief that its time for the first Finish/Prussian President? :))

    * I refer to myself as “Prussian” becuase at the time of my ancestors migration to the US, Germany was not united.

  10. Seerov,

    Thanks for the comment!

    What does this mean? Germanic people have an iron grip on the Presidency becuase they’re willing to breed outside their ancestral communities?

    Not exclusively because of it, but it prevents marginalization. Latinos also have a relatively high miscegenation rate, so in time I would imagine they join the British and the Germanic as a sort of triumvirate.

    The candidate most likely to break this pattern would seam to be Bobby Jindal.

    It is true that Germans have dominated the Com&Chf position. No Slavs, Jews, Balts, Mediterraneans, Greeks. I can’t even think of a Scots Irish? Maybe there’s a chance for me?

    Of the Scoth-Irish Presidents: [1]

    Estimates of the number of Presidents of the United States of Scotch Irish origins vary, depending on the degree of relationship on which the claim is based. For the purposes of their search for ancestral homesteads the Ulster Scot Historical Foundation accepted only those of direct Scotch Irish descent. Even limited in this way the number amounts to eleven; a notable proportion when related to the very small group from which they sprang. They are Andrew Jackson, James Knox Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses Simpson Grant, Chester Alan Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson.

    More on the ethnicities of Presidents is available from Razib [2] and from CATO [3]

    Maybe people will vote for me totally out of belief that its time for the first Finish/Prussian President? :))

    * I refer to myself as “Prussian” becuase at the time of my ancestors migration to the US, Germany was not united.

    Interesting…. I know Northern Michigan has the only only accredited Finish-language university in the United States, but I don’t think there’s a Prussian studies program there… 😉

    Michael,

    lol!

    [1] http://www.ulsternation.org.uk/ulster%27s%20contribution%20to%20america.htm
    [2] http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/11/a_black_swan.php
    [3] http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/11/05/not-just-the-first-african-american-president/

  11. Seerov,
    Busy at work dude. For the record I’m marrying someone who is a mixture of Jew, Russian and Mongolian and I myself am part Cherokee. So, you can say I cheated, I guess. However, before I met my fiance I was fairly partial to latin and Indian women (something my fiance is a little self-conscious about – though she need not worry). I am also blessed with a family that would accept anyone I brought home. Unfortunately, I’ve found many people (of all races) are not so blessed. Besides, am I truly required to marry someone from from much darker skin to be able to say that miscegenation is good? And what abou the true Suomi? Willingness was there, circumstances were not. [but, you’re right, there are a lot of hypocrits out there]

    I don’t think we have to worry about managing a multi-ethnic state so much as preventing group loyalties from becoming stronger than national loyalty. also, we must prevent any single group or groups from seeming to get special treatment. That’s one of the dangers of affirmative action. How can we give special treatment to some minorities and not to others, it becomes a nightmare.

    I don’t see miscegenation as the final solutions to anything other than benefitting the variety of mankind’s genetic pool. New racial classes will be created and re-created. To take your example of Jews and Arabs, the genetic difference between Jews and Arabs (particularly Sephardic Jews) is marginal. To go even further, Arab, as an ethnicity is a falsity, in the Levant especially. Look at the faces of Palestinians. They are a mixture of Arabs (from the the southeast), Turks, Europeans, Egyptians, Jews and Greeks and it shows on their faces. White people, particularly in North America are just the same. What happens in 1000 years? Who knows, something new, I suppose, but breeding ourselves into genetic dead-ends won’t help the race.

    Miscegenation should be a route for all groups and in this country (and Brazil) it is. However, as I alluded to above, all groups exhibit resistance. It is a lot easier for an Indian man to date an Indian girl over a white girl, but God forbid he date a black girl. I’ve seen similar reactions in many ethnic groups. Nothing will ever get rid of group feeling, new groups will arise. California, for all its problems is the most accepting place for mixed race couples (because there are so many); yet even there, their are strong racial group politics. It will always be something that occurs at the edges, and that’s fine. Identity politics are much less pronounced not than they were in the 70’s.

    Dan,
    Hispanics recruitment in the armed forces mirrors Scots-Irish recruitment, you can especially see this in the special forces. Kaplan noticed this in his last book. I agree with you that they’ll morph into part of the Anglo whole. (What’s real interesting is that many Hispanics in the US are substantially Indian, much more than in their home countries. I see lots of Aztecs and Mayan faces every day here in Chicago.)

    I found myself looking for a racial identity when I was in high school and found a solution wanting. My family’s been in North America for a couple of centuries now. Being here that long makes our routes likely to be from the English isles, but you can pick up a lot in that time. So called white people had nothing in common with me, it’s just too broad a group to have any real commonalities. [I like Richard Rodriguez’s thoughts on identity] In college I felt most comfortable at “Black Church” because it most mirrored my evangelical, small town experience (I felt as if I was viewed as a tourist though, which kept me from going more often). Identity comes in many variations and I just have a hard time tying it to just genetic background, even where I live is the most ethnically diverse part of Chicago. Does that make me better? No. It’s just how I like may particular world to be. I don’t want things to be completely mixed, but I prefer things not to be completely hermetic either.

    Sorry for the ramble. I blame the wine.

    Let a thousand flowers bloom.

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