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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Cabinet: One Bad Choice</title>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-172329</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie,

&lt;blockquote&gt;A policy that ignores the Constitution ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is an ocean of difference between &quot;Ignores&quot; and &quot;interprets in a way that you disagree with.&quot;  Indeed, confusing the two expressions seems childish.  Indeed, when someone joins a discussion on applied philosophy (which is what our Anglo-Saxon system is) by demanding those who disagree with him (on the job, at least) be jailed, makes it hard to believe that such a person joined the conversation with good intentions.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s why Ted Olson, our nation’s Solicitor General, a fierce conservative lawyer..&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can use &#039;conservative&#039; as an incantation as much as you want... it does not serve to back up your claims.  

Flipping the ad hominem or genetic fallacies  on their head does not make them any less fallacious.

On the subject of picks generally, catch this from TPM Cafe [1]...

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Robert Gates poured] cold water on the idea of ever achieving a world free of nuclear weapons (an Obama campaign pledge). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not only did Obama not appoint a democratic (or at least an openly pro-Democratic Republican, like Chuck Hagel) to SecDef, but Obama may even break his campaign pledge to rid of the world of nuclear weapons?

Who can believe this???


heh ;-)

[1] http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/26/gates_at_defense_pros_and_cons/#more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie,</p>
<blockquote><p>A policy that ignores the Constitution &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>There is an ocean of difference between &#8220;Ignores&#8221; and &#8220;interprets in a way that you disagree with.&#8221;  Indeed, confusing the two expressions seems childish.  Indeed, when someone joins a discussion on applied philosophy (which is what our Anglo-Saxon system is) by demanding those who disagree with him (on the job, at least) be jailed, makes it hard to believe that such a person joined the conversation with good intentions.  </p>
<blockquote><p>That’s why Ted Olson, our nation’s Solicitor General, a fierce conservative lawyer..</p></blockquote>
<p>You can use &#8216;conservative&#8217; as an incantation as much as you want&#8230; it does not serve to back up your claims.  </p>
<p>Flipping the ad hominem or genetic fallacies  on their head does not make them any less fallacious.</p>
<p>On the subject of picks generally, catch this from TPM Cafe [1]&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>[Robert Gates poured] cold water on the idea of ever achieving a world free of nuclear weapons (an Obama campaign pledge). </p></blockquote>
<p>Not only did Obama not appoint a democratic (or at least an openly pro-Democratic Republican, like Chuck Hagel) to SecDef, but Obama may even break his campaign pledge to rid of the world of nuclear weapons?</p>
<p>Who can believe this???</p>
<p>heh <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/26/gates_at_defense_pros_and_cons/#more" rel="nofollow">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/26/gates_at_defense_pros_and_cons/#more</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-171967</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A policy that ignores the Constitution and is predicated on getting around existing laws as much as possible is not a policy worth defending in a democracy. That&#039;s why Ted Olson, our nation&#039;s Solicitor General, a fierce conservative lawyer and a man who lost his wife in one of the planes on 9/11, resigned from the Bush Administration in response to the infantile, poorly supported legal memos being written by John Yoo. 

He surmised (as did others) there was no conceivable way you could successfully argue such incoherent legal fantasy in front of the Supreme Court, and he was right. 

The Bush Admin lost every detainee rights case, provoking even Justice Scalia in Hamdi vs. Rumsfeld to say &quot;Congress has not given the president the power to hold any American, even one who has taken up arms against his country, as an enemy combatant and instead must present criminal charges or let him go.&quot;

This wasn&#039;t just bad advice the lawyers gave, it was bad legal scholarship.  It was offered with malice to enable the President to skirt laws and ignore others. That&#039;s not a democracy, that&#039;s something far worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A policy that ignores the Constitution and is predicated on getting around existing laws as much as possible is not a policy worth defending in a democracy. That&#8217;s why Ted Olson, our nation&#8217;s Solicitor General, a fierce conservative lawyer and a man who lost his wife in one of the planes on 9/11, resigned from the Bush Administration in response to the infantile, poorly supported legal memos being written by John Yoo. </p>
<p>He surmised (as did others) there was no conceivable way you could successfully argue such incoherent legal fantasy in front of the Supreme Court, and he was right. </p>
<p>The Bush Admin lost every detainee rights case, provoking even Justice Scalia in Hamdi vs. Rumsfeld to say &#8220;Congress has not given the president the power to hold any American, even one who has taken up arms against his country, as an enemy combatant and instead must present criminal charges or let him go.&#8221;</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t just bad advice the lawyers gave, it was bad legal scholarship.  It was offered with malice to enable the President to skirt laws and ignore others. That&#8217;s not a democracy, that&#8217;s something far worse.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170946</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie does not realize that the criminalization of policy is more appropriate to oriental quasi-democracies like Taiwan [1] than in serious government.

If Eddie believes that every lawyer should come to the same conclusion on every case, he is likewise confused as to the nature of our Anglo-Saxon legal system.

Michael,

&lt;i&gt;The Nation&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s criticism -- that Geithner is too much like Summers -- sounds like an endorsment to me! :-)

Good news on Gates, obviously.

Purpleslog,

Agreed.


[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/11/bad-news-from-taiwan.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie does not realize that the criminalization of policy is more appropriate to oriental quasi-democracies like Taiwan [1] than in serious government.</p>
<p>If Eddie believes that every lawyer should come to the same conclusion on every case, he is likewise confused as to the nature of our Anglo-Saxon legal system.</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p><i>The Nation</i>&#8216;s criticism &#8212; that Geithner is too much like Summers &#8212; sounds like an endorsment to me! <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good news on Gates, obviously.</p>
<p>Purpleslog,</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/11/bad-news-from-taiwan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/11/bad-news-from-taiwan.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170868</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support the prosecution of the White House lawyers who knowingly gave bad legal advice supported by terribly flimsy legal arguments for any violations of American law with regards to torture and destruction of evidence. 

John Yoo, David Addington, etc. should be in a cell, not some CIA guy who was given the legal go-ahead by them. If the lawyer tells you its legal, its not your fault that that lawyer was unqualified and not chosen for his skill but for his ideology. 

Conservative legal scholars such as Jack Goldsmith as well as the uniformed JAG officers and legal counsels for the FBI, NSA, etc. are the source of my criticism here, not some left-wing rag like the Nation or Daily Kos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support the prosecution of the White House lawyers who knowingly gave bad legal advice supported by terribly flimsy legal arguments for any violations of American law with regards to torture and destruction of evidence. </p>
<p>John Yoo, David Addington, etc. should be in a cell, not some CIA guy who was given the legal go-ahead by them. If the lawyer tells you its legal, its not your fault that that lawyer was unqualified and not chosen for his skill but for his ideology. </p>
<p>Conservative legal scholars such as Jack Goldsmith as well as the uniformed JAG officers and legal counsels for the FBI, NSA, etc. are the source of my criticism here, not some left-wing rag like the Nation or Daily Kos.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170855</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nation isn&#039;t so impressed with Geithner.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081208/greider_web</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nation isn&#8217;t so impressed with Geithner.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081208/greider_web" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081208/greider_web</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170851</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One good choice: Gates is staying on for at least another year.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/25/1688880.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One good choice: Gates is staying on for at least another year.</p>
<p><a href="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/25/1688880.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/11/25/1688880.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: purpleslog</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170826</link>
		<dc:creator>purpleslog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Tom&#039;s post...I get the impression that he think of high gun ownershiop as anegative indicator...lookout for the violent Americans!

I think of it a positive indicator: taking responsibility for personal safety and security and a sketicism of GOV.

Now Tom I don&#039;t think Tom is a small gov sort of guy, so he might see skepticism of GOV as a bad thing. 

I don&#039;t.

And I don&#039;t own a gun, BTW. Not yet, anyways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Tom&#8217;s post&#8230;I get the impression that he think of high gun ownershiop as anegative indicator&#8230;lookout for the violent Americans!</p>
<p>I think of it a positive indicator: taking responsibility for personal safety and security and a sketicism of GOV.</p>
<p>Now Tom I don&#8217;t think Tom is a small gov sort of guy, so he might see skepticism of GOV as a bad thing. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t own a gun, BTW. Not yet, anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170683</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of odd, Tom completely misses the upswing in gun purchases since Obama&#039;s been elected. [1]

[1] http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2008/11/were_number_one--with_a_bullet.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of odd, Tom completely misses the upswing in gun purchases since Obama&#8217;s been elected. [1]</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2008/11/were_number_one--with_a_bullet.html" rel="nofollow">http://thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2008/11/were_number_one&#8211;with_a_bullet.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: purpleslog</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170653</link>
		<dc:creator>purpleslog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DHS is sort of too big and too wide for anyone to be completley qualified for it. It should be broke apart into a few smaller mission-focused organizations.

Strangely, here is a plus for the new AG: At one time (maybe still?) he didn&#039;t think [1] the terrorist should be covered by the Geneva Conventions (and neither do I).

--
[1]
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/24/obama-ag-2002-terrorists-arent-protected-by-the-geneva-conventions/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DHS is sort of too big and too wide for anyone to be completley qualified for it. It should be broke apart into a few smaller mission-focused organizations.</p>
<p>Strangely, here is a plus for the new AG: At one time (maybe still?) he didn&#8217;t think [1] the terrorist should be covered by the Geneva Conventions (and neither do I).</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
[1]<br />
<a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/24/obama-ag-2002-terrorists-arent-protected-by-the-geneva-conventions/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/24/obama-ag-2002-terrorists-arent-protected-by-the-geneva-conventions/</a></p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2008/11/22/obamas-cabinet-one-bad-choice.html/comment-page-1#comment-170338</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other claims against her seemed to be a litany of complaints that she is not an expert in this-or-that office or bureau within DHS, which of course is not the point of a cabinet official during a time when the executive is focused on passing his legislative agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other claims against her seemed to be a litany of complaints that she is not an expert in this-or-that office or bureau within DHS, which of course is not the point of a cabinet official during a time when the executive is focused on passing his legislative agenda.</p>
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