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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/08/obama-should-help-iran-move-to-the-seam.html/comment-page-1#comment-227852</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is being smart, in recognizing his naivty in Washington politics, and trying to build as many relationships as he can.

Whether people become alies, case-by-case comrades in political arms, or merely people with warm enough relations not to through up friction all the time, Obama is making his job easier on himself.

He throws old friend under the bus, and makes new, better friends.  It&#039;s a kind of wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is being smart, in recognizing his naivty in Washington politics, and trying to build as many relationships as he can.</p>
<p>Whether people become alies, case-by-case comrades in political arms, or merely people with warm enough relations not to through up friction all the time, Obama is making his job easier on himself.</p>
<p>He throws old friend under the bus, and makes new, better friends.  It&#8217;s a kind of wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Seerov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Obama meeting with the Neoconservatives had two main purposes. First, it was to calm any doubts that Obama was dedicated to America&#039;s actions in the Middle east. Despite what the Zombie left thought, Obama will not pull us out of the Middle East.

The second purpose was to marginalize the social Conservatives.  Guys like Kristol and Krauthammer are pretty much liberals; but who favor an aggressive foreign policy.  So Obama probably told them that if they help him marginalize social conservatives, that he&#039;ll give them a place at the table.

I don&#039;t expect people like Limbaugh to make it through 8 years of Obama. The purpose of making such a big deal out of that &quot;Magic Negro&quot; song was to single the start of the campaign against speech. Anyone who doesn&#039;t toe the PC line is going to get shut down.  The Neocon role is to add some &quot;right wing&quot; support in the war against speech.

Free speech will have to be outlawed if America is to become &quot;post racial.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Obama meeting with the Neoconservatives had two main purposes. First, it was to calm any doubts that Obama was dedicated to America&#8217;s actions in the Middle east. Despite what the Zombie left thought, Obama will not pull us out of the Middle East.</p>
<p>The second purpose was to marginalize the social Conservatives.  Guys like Kristol and Krauthammer are pretty much liberals; but who favor an aggressive foreign policy.  So Obama probably told them that if they help him marginalize social conservatives, that he&#8217;ll give them a place at the table.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect people like Limbaugh to make it through 8 years of Obama. The purpose of making such a big deal out of that &#8220;Magic Negro&#8221; song was to single the start of the campaign against speech. Anyone who doesn&#8217;t toe the PC line is going to get shut down.  The Neocon role is to add some &#8220;right wing&#8221; support in the war against speech.</p>
<p>Free speech will have to be outlawed if America is to become &#8220;post racial.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obamas-dinner-with-conser_n_157701.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama breaks bread with William Kristol, David Brooks, and Charles Krauthammer &lt;/a&gt;

The dinner is an indication of  the spectrum of opinion Obama is  taking cognizance of, it&#039;s the same  worldview shared by his appointees. It&#039;s clear  his retoric was just that, his anti-war support has been &lt;i&gt;took&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the stump, he used to say things like: “I will bring this war to an end in 2009. So don’t be confused.” Now he says it might take a bit longer. To make matters worse, he has kept George Bush’s defence secretary, Robert Gates, in his job. “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign-policy [and] national-security team opposed the war,” fumes Katrina vanden Heuvel, the editor of the Nation, a lefty magazine, adding that Mr Gates is “a terrible pick”.
Far from ending Mr Bush’s war on terror, Mr Obama plans to ramp it up in Afghanistan, albeit under a different label. When Israel started bombing Gaza, he barely protested[...] Some folks are outraged, too, by Mr Obama’s rumoured selection of Dennis Ross, a veteran of Bill Clinton’s administration, as his point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, an analyst at a group called Just Foreign Policy, thinks Mr Ross might “set the stage for war with Iran”. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obamas-dinner-with-conser_n_157701.html" rel="nofollow">Obama breaks bread with William Kristol, David Brooks, and Charles Krauthammer </a></p>
<p>The dinner is an indication of  the spectrum of opinion Obama is  taking cognizance of, it&#8217;s the same  worldview shared by his appointees. It&#8217;s clear  his retoric was just that, his anti-war support has been <i>took</i>.</p>
<blockquote><p>On the stump, he used to say things like: “I will bring this war to an end in 2009. So don’t be confused.” Now he says it might take a bit longer. To make matters worse, he has kept George Bush’s defence secretary, Robert Gates, in his job. “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign-policy [and] national-security team opposed the war,” fumes Katrina vanden Heuvel, the editor of the Nation, a lefty magazine, adding that Mr Gates is “a terrible pick”.<br />
Far from ending Mr Bush’s war on terror, Mr Obama plans to ramp it up in Afghanistan, albeit under a different label. When Israel started bombing Gaza, he barely protested[...] Some folks are outraged, too, by Mr Obama’s rumoured selection of Dennis Ross, a veteran of Bill Clinton’s administration, as his point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, an analyst at a group called Just Foreign Policy, thinks Mr Ross might “set the stage for war with Iran”.
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		<title>By: Seerov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seerov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had the &quot;Jewish Question&quot; debate many times and swore to never take part in it again.  But, here goes......

Lere,

there is no denying the fact that the Israeli Right has a lot of influence in this country, but when it comes down to it, no matter how powerful the &quot;Jewish Lobby&quot; is, it still requires the &quot;lobbied&quot; to give in to their demands.  So if you&#039;re suspicious of our polices towards Israel, don&#039;t look to the Jews, look to the non-Jews who occupy most of our government.  

Besides that, without Israel we wouldn&#039;t have a reliable ally in the Middle East.  We can park our ships in their waters or fly over their airspace and it only costs about 3 billion a year.  Israel also potentially attracts much of the violence that may be directed at us or our interests in the region.  IOW, Muslim extremists have limited resources and its easier to direct those resources towards a Nation-State in the Middle East compared to the CONUS or our interest in the region.  

So don&#039;t worry too much about Jewish influence. I guarantee that they don&#039;t wield as much power as you think they do. Beside that, why do you worry if we bomb Iran or not.  If war bothers you, turn the TV and computer off.  Or, watch something else.  I sit next to a girl in a class at school who knows nothing about world events.  When discussing the war in Iraq one day she said &quot;wait, I though we were fighting in I-ran.&quot;  She also wondered why &quot;we even have to have war&quot; and asked &quot;why can&#039;t adults just; not fight?&quot;  I envied her total obliviousness.  

Anyway, my point is, if you&#039;re bothered by the idea of us attacking Iran, I&#039;m telling you it IS possible to tune it out of your life.  There are lots of good TV shows you can watch on VH-1 like Bret Michael&#039;s &quot;Rock of Love.&quot;  Or &quot;Bad Girls Club&quot; on Oxygen.  On MTV there&#039;s &quot;The City&quot; or &quot;Bromance.&quot;  These shows will help keep your mind off the Jews and on something more happy.

Good Luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had the &#8220;Jewish Question&#8221; debate many times and swore to never take part in it again.  But, here goes&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Lere,</p>
<p>there is no denying the fact that the Israeli Right has a lot of influence in this country, but when it comes down to it, no matter how powerful the &#8220;Jewish Lobby&#8221; is, it still requires the &#8220;lobbied&#8221; to give in to their demands.  So if you&#8217;re suspicious of our polices towards Israel, don&#8217;t look to the Jews, look to the non-Jews who occupy most of our government.  </p>
<p>Besides that, without Israel we wouldn&#8217;t have a reliable ally in the Middle East.  We can park our ships in their waters or fly over their airspace and it only costs about 3 billion a year.  Israel also potentially attracts much of the violence that may be directed at us or our interests in the region.  IOW, Muslim extremists have limited resources and its easier to direct those resources towards a Nation-State in the Middle East compared to the CONUS or our interest in the region.  </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t worry too much about Jewish influence. I guarantee that they don&#8217;t wield as much power as you think they do. Beside that, why do you worry if we bomb Iran or not.  If war bothers you, turn the TV and computer off.  Or, watch something else.  I sit next to a girl in a class at school who knows nothing about world events.  When discussing the war in Iraq one day she said &#8220;wait, I though we were fighting in I-ran.&#8221;  She also wondered why &#8220;we even have to have war&#8221; and asked &#8220;why can&#8217;t adults just; not fight?&#8221;  I envied her total obliviousness.  </p>
<p>Anyway, my point is, if you&#8217;re bothered by the idea of us attacking Iran, I&#8217;m telling you it IS possible to tune it out of your life.  There are lots of good TV shows you can watch on VH-1 like Bret Michael&#8217;s &#8220;Rock of Love.&#8221;  Or &#8220;Bad Girls Club&#8221; on Oxygen.  On MTV there&#8217;s &#8220;The City&#8221; or &#8220;Bromance.&#8221;  These shows will help keep your mind off the Jews and on something more happy.</p>
<p>Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: purpleslog</title>
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		<dc:creator>purpleslog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lere:

 I think you have stumbled upon another diabolical plan by the Jews, Israelis, Neo-Cons, Neo-Neo-Cons, the lluminati, the Neo-Illuminati, The Real Illuminati, and the Burgermeister Meisterburger Group. Time to start preserving and protecting ye olde bodily fluids....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lere:</p>
<p> I think you have stumbled upon another diabolical plan by the Jews, Israelis, Neo-Cons, Neo-Neo-Cons, the lluminati, the Neo-Illuminati, The Real Illuminati, and the Burgermeister Meisterburger Group. Time to start preserving and protecting ye olde bodily fluids&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely glad to know that Obama will be a friend of Israel.

Having heard that we&#039;re going to attack Iran any day now for the past several years, I&#039;m skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely glad to know that Obama will be a friend of Israel.</p>
<p>Having heard that we&#8217;re going to attack Iran any day now for the past several years, I&#8217;m skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Lere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unsavoury as it may be to bring this up Ross&#039; wikipedia entry states:-
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;While not listed in his official biography, according to the &quot;The Truth about Camp David&quot; by Clayton Swisher, Ross co-founded the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)-sponsored Washington Institute for Near East Policy in 1980s. [1]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

His chief of staff  Rahm Emanuel ?

&lt;blockquote&gt;
His father, Benjamin M. Emanuel, a Jerusalem-born pediatrician, was a member of the Irgun.... The surname Emanuel (עמנואל), adopted by the family in honor of his father&#039;s brother Emanuel Auerbach, killed in Jerusalem during a skirmish with Arabs, means God is with us.[...] Emanuel did not serve in the Israeli army, but was a civilian volunteer assisting the Israel Defense Forces for a short time during the 1991 Gulf War, repairing truck brakes in one of Israel&#039;s northern bases with Sar-El.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

These key appointees will advise  Obama to attack Iran unless it capitulates and abandons it&#039;s nuclear program. I think Obama will end up  ordering a massive airstrike on Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsavoury as it may be to bring this up Ross&#8217; wikipedia entry states:-</p>
<blockquote><p>While not listed in his official biography, according to the &#8220;The Truth about Camp David&#8221; by Clayton Swisher, Ross co-founded the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)-sponsored Washington Institute for Near East Policy in 1980s. [1]</p></blockquote>
<p>His chief of staff  Rahm Emanuel ?</p>
<blockquote><p>
His father, Benjamin M. Emanuel, a Jerusalem-born pediatrician, was a member of the Irgun&#8230;. The surname Emanuel (עמנואל), adopted by the family in honor of his father&#8217;s brother Emanuel Auerbach, killed in Jerusalem during a skirmish with Arabs, means God is with us.[...] Emanuel did not serve in the Israeli army, but was a civilian volunteer assisting the Israel Defense Forces for a short time during the 1991 Gulf War, repairing truck brakes in one of Israel&#8217;s northern bases with Sar-El.</p></blockquote>
<p>These key appointees will advise  Obama to attack Iran unless it capitulates and abandons it&#8217;s nuclear program. I think Obama will end up  ordering a massive airstrike on Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lere,

Are you trolling, or do your second and third sentences have anything to do with your first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lere,</p>
<p>Are you trolling, or do your second and third sentences have anything to do with your first?</p>
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		<title>By: Lere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis Ross (a skilled negotiator for America over the past 25 years) 

Ross will not leave Iran in peace (in &lt;i&gt;pieces&lt;/i&gt; is more likely)
Obama&#039;s appointments make it increasingly clear that he meant what he said: an nuclear Iranian is &lt;i&gt;unacceptable&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Ross (a skilled negotiator for America over the past 25 years) </p>
<p>Ross will not leave Iran in peace (in <i>pieces</i> is more likely)<br />
Obama&#8217;s appointments make it increasingly clear that he meant what he said: an nuclear Iranian is <i>unacceptable</i></p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS,

You&#039;re right the what Petreaus says is an American signal.  

You are also that Hezbollah&#039;s lack of involvemtn could becoming from weakness, as well.  Still, considering the &#039;street popularity&#039; of Hamas, it&#039;s striking that Iran&#039;s support seems limited to lame one-liners on meta-issues [1].  This from a guy who once talked about erasing Israel from the map!

&lt;blockquote&gt;but their goals of an Iran regional Islamic superpower with global influence doesn’t mess with the US PoV of the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How so?

In the mid-east, the US is an offshore balancer that could be harmful or helpful.  Iran may have a permanent conflict of interest with Saudi Arabia, but the US will never be a leader of Islamic thought nor interested in sovereign control of the Persian Gulf.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I know we really disagree on this and there most likely isn’t a middle ground. I was never able to get behind your writing on why Sharia can be a good thing. Disagreement is okay though.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, it is what makes blogging fun! :-)

[1] http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-37375620090110</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right the what Petreaus says is an American signal.  </p>
<p>You are also that Hezbollah&#8217;s lack of involvemtn could becoming from weakness, as well.  Still, considering the &#8216;street popularity&#8217; of Hamas, it&#8217;s striking that Iran&#8217;s support seems limited to lame one-liners on meta-issues [1].  This from a guy who once talked about erasing Israel from the map!</p>
<blockquote><p>but their goals of an Iran regional Islamic superpower with global influence doesn’t mess with the US PoV of the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>How so?</p>
<p>In the mid-east, the US is an offshore balancer that could be harmful or helpful.  Iran may have a permanent conflict of interest with Saudi Arabia, but the US will never be a leader of Islamic thought nor interested in sovereign control of the Persian Gulf.</p>
<blockquote><p>I know we really disagree on this and there most likely isn’t a middle ground. I was never able to get behind your writing on why Sharia can be a good thing. Disagreement is okay though.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, it is what makes blogging fun! <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-37375620090110" rel="nofollow">http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-37375620090110</a></p>
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