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	<title>Comments on: Provisional contributors list: &#8220;5GW: The Fifth Generation of War?&#8221;</title>
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	<description>High-minded, fanatically malthusian perspectives</description>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/15/provisional-contributors-list-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-239343</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanNr2, 

If that post could be rendered as a chapter, it would be a fantastic addition to the volume!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanNr2, </p>
<p>If that post could be rendered as a chapter, it would be a fantastic addition to the volume!</p>
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		<title>By: DanNr2</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/15/provisional-contributors-list-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-237183</link>
		<dc:creator>DanNr2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might also add to that post, that I originally found the PISRR idea here on Dan&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might also add to that post, that I originally found the PISRR idea here on Dan&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: DanNr2</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/15/provisional-contributors-list-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-237179</link>
		<dc:creator>DanNr2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I don&#039;t think there is any on the generational account of martial arts. 

I posted a rather large piece on using the PISRR in martial arts on a martial arts forum a few years ago. I also combined it with an evolutionary account of how martial arts evolved in a competitive adaptive system. I&#039;m thinking of starting to blog again with a new blog, so I may tweak it a little, as at the time it was an off the cuff forum post cause someone wanted me to explain an off the cuff remark I made. 

In the mean time there are quite a few blogs around combining OODA with fighting (a huge number actually, it&#039;s used quite often by martial artists of all types, .e.g here is one from a mate of mine on swordfighting: http://laches.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/kssgtr-15-may-2008/ ) 

Probably not what you REALLY wanted, but it might give you food for thought (I&#039;d also be interested in your analogy between the two by the way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I don&#8217;t think there is any on the generational account of martial arts. </p>
<p>I posted a rather large piece on using the PISRR in martial arts on a martial arts forum a few years ago. I also combined it with an evolutionary account of how martial arts evolved in a competitive adaptive system. I&#8217;m thinking of starting to blog again with a new blog, so I may tweak it a little, as at the time it was an off the cuff forum post cause someone wanted me to explain an off the cuff remark I made. </p>
<p>In the mean time there are quite a few blogs around combining OODA with fighting (a huge number actually, it&#8217;s used quite often by martial artists of all types, .e.g here is one from a mate of mine on swordfighting: <a href="http://laches.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/kssgtr-15-may-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://laches.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/kssgtr-15-may-2008/</a> ) </p>
<p>Probably not what you REALLY wanted, but it might give you food for thought (I&#8217;d also be interested in your analogy between the two by the way).</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/15/provisional-contributors-list-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-224052</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I can think of...

Sounds like a good chapter idea!

Can we add you as a contributor? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I can think of&#8230;</p>
<p>Sounds like a good chapter idea!</p>
<p>Can we add you as a contributor? <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potentially dumb question: Has anyone explicitely wrote anything comparing martial arts to generational warfare? I just did a quick search, but didn&#039;t see anything.

Reason I ask is, I saw a show on Animal Planet last night talking about Kung Fu and the inspiration its masters got from various animals. Watching that and listening to the descriptions of how the styles work suggests (to my mind) the following correlations.
0GW--The guy who just takes the blows without throwing any back, either because he can&#039;t or because he thinks he can outlast the attacker.
1GW--Bar brawl. No particular emphasis on skill or strategy beyond &quot;hit the guy and try to avoid getting hit&quot;.
2GW--The harder styles like Tiger or Eagle, emphasizing speed and power, to try and get the first (and hopefully last) punch.
3GW--Grappling and locking styles (they mentioned the Snake styles) which try to deny the opponent freedom of movement without giving up the same.
4GW--Several styles which employ confusing and misleading moves to avoid blows while wearing down an opponent and his will to fight.
5GW--By that pattern, based on the OODA loop, a 5GW form would probably be one of those Dim Mok techniques you see in the more fantastical movies that allow a seemingly innocuous touch to kill or disable an opponent. Or maybe someone employing passive resistance to gain the sympathy of onlookers (assuming the fight couldn&#039;t be avoided altogether?

If someone (who hopefully knows more about 5GW and martial arts than I do) has written such an article, you might want to hunt him or her down for a chapter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potentially dumb question: Has anyone explicitely wrote anything comparing martial arts to generational warfare? I just did a quick search, but didn&#8217;t see anything.</p>
<p>Reason I ask is, I saw a show on Animal Planet last night talking about Kung Fu and the inspiration its masters got from various animals. Watching that and listening to the descriptions of how the styles work suggests (to my mind) the following correlations.<br />
0GW&#8211;The guy who just takes the blows without throwing any back, either because he can&#8217;t or because he thinks he can outlast the attacker.<br />
1GW&#8211;Bar brawl. No particular emphasis on skill or strategy beyond &#8220;hit the guy and try to avoid getting hit&#8221;.<br />
2GW&#8211;The harder styles like Tiger or Eagle, emphasizing speed and power, to try and get the first (and hopefully last) punch.<br />
3GW&#8211;Grappling and locking styles (they mentioned the Snake styles) which try to deny the opponent freedom of movement without giving up the same.<br />
4GW&#8211;Several styles which employ confusing and misleading moves to avoid blows while wearing down an opponent and his will to fight.<br />
5GW&#8211;By that pattern, based on the OODA loop, a 5GW form would probably be one of those Dim Mok techniques you see in the more fantastical movies that allow a seemingly innocuous touch to kill or disable an opponent. Or maybe someone employing passive resistance to gain the sympathy of onlookers (assuming the fight couldn&#8217;t be avoided altogether?</p>
<p>If someone (who hopefully knows more about 5GW and martial arts than I do) has written such an article, you might want to hunt him or her down for a chapter.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know people who have switched to Wordpress from blogger (zenpundit) and blogspirit (myself).  I don&#039;t know anyone who has gone away from Wordpress.

It&#039;s a very nice system.  Regularly updated, plenty of features, easy to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know people who have switched to WordPress from blogger (zenpundit) and blogspirit (myself).  I don&#8217;t know anyone who has gone away from WordPress.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very nice system.  Regularly updated, plenty of features, easy to use.</p>
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		<title>By: purpleslog</title>
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		<dc:creator>purpleslog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I use wordress.com. 

It works well and you can&#039;t beat the price of $0.

I am able to do everything I want to do, and  I don&#039;t have to be a server admin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I use wordress.com. </p>
<p>It works well and you can&#8217;t beat the price of $0.</p>
<p>I am able to do everything I want to do, and  I don&#8217;t have to be a server admin.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent,

Absolutely, welcome aboard!

I talked to Joseph Fouche after being impressed by his excellent piece on Clausewitz and xGW [1].  He will be contributing, as well.

Word-length is entirely up to you.  One &lt;i&gt;Threats in the Age of Obama&lt;/i&gt; comes up I will try to send review copies to contributors to see one of the pieces we are using as a model.   But what is important is producing a chapter that gets your point across -- the number of words should serve that purpose.

[1] http://committeeofpublicsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/war-is-a-buffet-eat-up/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent,</p>
<p>Absolutely, welcome aboard!</p>
<p>I talked to Joseph Fouche after being impressed by his excellent piece on Clausewitz and xGW [1].  He will be contributing, as well.</p>
<p>Word-length is entirely up to you.  One <i>Threats in the Age of Obama</i> comes up I will try to send review copies to contributors to see one of the pieces we are using as a model.   But what is important is producing a chapter that gets your point across &#8212; the number of words should serve that purpose.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://committeeofpublicsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/war-is-a-buffet-eat-up/" rel="nofollow">http://committeeofpublicsafety.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/war-is-a-buffet-eat-up/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brent Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan 
   I would like to contribute a chapter along the lines of what we discussed in the earlier thread. [1] Based on research I did for previous paper on public housing, I&#039;m pretty sure I can demonstrate a small scale 5GW campaign against gangs in Chicago in the mid 1990s [2] and I&#039;m doing a lot of reading to demonstrate that something similar happened in NYC. Off the top of my head I would love to be able to call my section:

Transforming the Battelspace: The Grand Strategy of Rudy Giuliani 


About how many words are you guys looking for per section? 

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/08/call-for-chapters-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_Homes#Redevelopment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan<br />
   I would like to contribute a chapter along the lines of what we discussed in the earlier thread. [1] Based on research I did for previous paper on public housing, I&#8217;m pretty sure I can demonstrate a small scale 5GW campaign against gangs in Chicago in the mid 1990s [2] and I&#8217;m doing a lot of reading to demonstrate that something similar happened in NYC. Off the top of my head I would love to be able to call my section:</p>
<p>Transforming the Battelspace: The Grand Strategy of Rudy Giuliani </p>
<p>About how many words are you guys looking for per section? </p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/08/call-for-chapters-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/01/08/call-for-chapters-5gw-the-fifth-generation-of-war.html</a></p>
<p>[2] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_Homes#Redevelopment" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_Homes#Redevelopment</a></p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the wordpress software, hosted by dreamhost.  Purpleslog I think just uses wordpress.com, which I hear is pretty good. [1]

There are other options, but I think wordpress is becoming the standard method.


[1] http://wordpress.com/features/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the wordpress software, hosted by dreamhost.  Purpleslog I think just uses wordpress.com, which I hear is pretty good. [1]</p>
<p>There are other options, but I think wordpress is becoming the standard method.</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://wordpress.com/features/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.com/features/</a></p>
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