Want to buy a Koran at UNL?

Good luck.

Daily Nebraskan – Muslim students buy out Qurans in protest
Religious sensitivity made its way into the classroom early this semester for University of Nebraska-Lincoln students in an Introduction to Islam class.
When Michael Huston went to the bookstore to buy a copy of the Quran for the class last month, he learned it was sold out. However, it wasn’t bought out by students from the class.
Huston. a senior art major, learned that a few students from the Pakistan Students Association had bought all the books because they didn’t want non-muslim students to accidently deface the Quran.
“It seems more like a protest in general to get people aware of their stance,” Huston said about PSA students’ sensitivity to the Quran’s usage. “It’s kind of bizarre that they would go to that extent.”
Summayia Khan, president of the Pakistan Students Association, declined to comment.
Misuse or defacement of the Quran, which is highly respected within the Muslim faith, can be considered blasphemy.
“The concern from the Pakistan Students Association over whether it was appropriate for non-muslims to use the Quran was resolved in a pleasant, collegial conversation between the instructor of the class, the president of the Pakistan Student Association and myself,” said Sidnie Crawford, chairwoman of the classics and religious studies department at UNL.

Of course, the Pakistan Students Association has a right to protest against non-Muslims handling the Quaran, and they did so peacefully and in a way that brought some coin to the university bookstore. Still, this hardly demonstrates a respect (or even tolerance) for liberty, as their actions were specifically aimed at limiting the ability of those not in their religion from reading their religious texts.

Of all the trials that students in the Pakistan Students Association have gone through, joining the Scientologists in hiding their beliefs from others is perhaps the dumbest.

24 thoughts on “Want to buy a Koran at UNL?”

  1. Muslims appear to be very insecure about their beliefs? They’re always freaking out about someone “defacing” the Quran or “disrespecting Muhammad.” People draw cartoons about Islam and they burn stuff down. Its like dealing with children. If you say something that bothers a little kid they throw and temper tantrum. Muslims are always throwing temper tantrums.

    I took an intro to Islam class at my school and the Muslims were there just to argue with the instructor if he said something they didn’t like. They also made excuses for the Danish cartoon rioters in which they argued that Muslims love Allah so much they couldn’t help it. There was always an excuse and always talk about the “Golden age” of Islam and constant bashing of the West. They explained how much more “free” Muslim women were who covered their bodies. They had to say “peace be upon him” whenever they mentioned the word “Mohammad.”

    Although I don’t have much use for Christianity either, I’ve yet to find Christians who act this way? Christians appear to be much more secure in their faith. Again, I don’t know how anyone could truly believe in a GOD anyway, but that’s another conversation all together?

  2. I feel this post will get you lots of comments….if you take out the ‘UNL’ part from the title….Good luck.

  3. The West is on a collision course not with radical Islamism (something our political leaders have made up to distinguish from “normal, peace-loving” Islam) but with ISLAM itself. And let’s not be naive – it is more than just a clash of cultures – it is a clash of religions and, in this, the West is bankrupt with its post-Christian godless secularism. The “field troops” in this massive collision will be the Christians in the Global South. I’m not advocating warfare or violence in any way but we better wake up to the fact that Muslims will resort to ANY MEASURE to protect and to extend their faith. Islam is a religion of aggressive evangelization and is the fastest growing religion in the world for two reasons – (1) this aggressive evangelism and (2) their high birth rates (compared to the West).

    Unfortunately so many in the West have chosen to be appeasers and ignore the problem. Well we all saw how successful that was with Hitler, didn’t we?

  4. Seerov, look at the response to “Last Temptation of Christ” and various other controversial works. Some Christians can be as absurd as the Moslems. You can also find secular fanatics. The issues around desecration of the US flag become very violent during the Vietnam War period. It’s not unique to Moslems.

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  6. …look at the response to “Last Temptation of Christ”

    I saw the film in a theater in Madison when it came out. There were some protesters outside.

    My interchange went something like this:

    Them (holding sign):
    Me: What are you protesting?
    Them: The movie and it portrayal of Jesus.
    Me: Have you seen it?
    Them: No.
    Me: Well, I want to see it and reserve judgment.
    Them: Ok.
    Me (extending stick of gum): Want some gum gum?
    Them: Sure…thanks.
    Me: Ok bye.
    Them: Bye.

    On the other hand, I had a Muslim screaming at me on Christmas day that he would piss on Jesus and us Christians.

  7. rjh:
    Seerov, look at the response to “Last Temptation of Christ” and various other controversial works. Some Christians can be as absurd as the Moslems. You can also find secular fanatics. The issues around desecration of the US flag become very violent during the Vietnam War period. It’s not unique to Moslems.

    Trying to compare “fanaticisms” may have some merit but ultimately breaks down when Islam is considered. Yes, there are some crazy Christian wackos (like Eric Rudolf the abortion clinic bomber) but these are fringe elements and are NOT supported by scripture. IN the Christian Bible the New Testament trumps the Old so don’t start on all the violent passages in the Old Testament please.

    In Islam, the ends justifies the means. The Koran repeatedly appeals to violence, murder, genocide, lying, deceiving – ANY measure necessary to promote the world domination of their religion. So many in the West fail to understand this simple fact.

    Jay – this is not sophomoric grand standing nor a stunt. The Koran is HOLY to Muslims. They keep it on the highest shelf in their homes above all other books (or should). You can deface a Bible in front of most Christians and they probably at worst would just tell you you’re going to hell but try defacing a Koran around even a “backslidden” Muslim and see what happens – at best you’d be beaten and at worst killed. To them it would be an issue of HONOR and it would be their holy duty to avenge this gross insult to their faith. So many Westerners have a hard time believing that there are still people in the 21st Century who take their religious beliefs seriously enough to resort to violent measures. Wake up, smell the coffee.

  8. During the Koran / Gitmo controversy, one of the deadly riots was between Pakistanis outraged by the stories out of Gitmo, and Taliban outraged that the Pakistanis were engaged in shirk, assocating an object with God.

    If God has no companion, as the Koran teaches, and this prohibits the veneration of saints (holy humans), then likewise hte prohibition of books (holy objects) is prohibited. The Holy Koran may have been present at the beginning of time, but this no more means the text and ink in your hands is holy that the knowledge of Divinity of Christ convinced puritans that stained glass was acceptable.

    Now, that said…

    Obviously, there exists some wacko in every population. That’s not the issue. The issue is the power (the number, the vocalness, the leathality) of those wackos in those populations. It seems that Muslims are much more likely to attempt to use dispersed, network-style attacks against the liberty of others in pursuit of their faith than other religions, worldwide.

    Of course, simply going by the categorical variable of religion is oversimplistic. Note that this was done by the Pakistan Students Association, not some association of native-born Muslims (who generally hold Americanized views of liberty). Likewise, adherents of other religions shy away from individual- or networked- violecne, but are happy to use state violence to enforce their beliefs (Christian Conservatives in this country, the Emirate of Dubai, etc.)

  9. Regardless of what Peter would like to assert above, little better could demonstrate the inroads that violent political Islam (“Islamism”) has made than ” Koran sensitivity” like on tdaxp’s campus. Would this have even have come up before 1979 ?

    Previously, Muslim religious fundamentalists were eager to get converts to Islam and encouraged study of the Koran by Westerners. The Saudis subsidized such outreach since Faisal was King ( now they subsidize radicalization of the already Muslim). But creeping Salafism has brought with it separatism and jihadism and a sort of reified religion that Olivier Roy calls ” neo-fundamentalism” that is against traditional Islamic practices and local cultural manifestations like Marabouts or Sufism in favor of a universal, simpleminded and violent extremism.

    Albanians, Turks and Malays are not bombing our buildings. Some four hundred thousand + Afghans fought the Soviets and almost none of them became international terrorists ( though many joined the ISI created Taliban in side-switching by Mujahedeen commanders who later switched back in traditional Afghan fighting style).

    Our problem is with specific networks and demographic groups and subgroups in the Muslim world, not 1.2 billion Muslims. Trying to make it be so amounts to strategic idiocy.

  10. Inshallah, the local bookstores made a killing selling copies to those students at a much lower price than that charged by the UNL bookstore:)

  11. The class appears to be RELG 208: Intro to Islam [1]

    RELG 208 (Call # 8188) INTRO TO ISLAM
    Instructor: Simon Wood
    Day/Time: MWF, 10:30-11:20
    Place: AVH 110
    Description:
    The course provides an introduction to the religion and history of Islam. Topics examined include the Prophet Muhammad, the Qur’an, the hadith, Islamic theology and law, Shi’ism, Sufism, and modern Islam.
    Required Books:
    Mahmoud M. Ayoub, Isalm: Faith and History, ISBN: 0-85168-3505, Oneworld, 2004, Required;
    F. Mernissi, The Veil and the Male Elite: A Feminist Interpretation of Women’s Rights in Isalm, ISBN: 0-201-63221-7, Perseus Books Group, 1992, Required;
    Marmaduke Pickthall (trans), The Glorious Qur’an, ISBN: 0-879402-16-5, Tahrike Tarsile Qur’an Inc., 1999, Required;
    Vali Nasr, The Shia Revival: How Conflicts within Islam Will Shape the Future, ISBN: 0393329682, W.W. Norton, 2007, Required;
    Ron Geaves, Key Words in Islam (Key Words), ISBN: 9781589011243, Georgetown University Press, 2006, Required.
    Mansoor Moaddel, Modernist and Fundamentalist Debates in Islam: A Reader , ISBN: 1403960925, Palgrave Macmillan, 2002, Required.

    The book in question is ‘Glorious Qu’ran: Text & Explanatory Translation.’

    The affiliated ‘University Bookstore’ shows it ‘available to order’ (meaning out of stock) for $6.95, [2] while the unaffiliated ‘Nebraska Bookstore’ sells used copies (subject to availability) for $9.00 [3]

    Amazon sells it new for 7.95, and through merchants used for $1.10 [45]

    Always cheaper than everyone, Half.com offers it for 75 cents. [5]

    [1] http://www.unl.edu/classics/Quick_View_Relg_Spring_2009.shtml
    [2] http://www.bkstr.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CourseMaterialsResultsView?catalogId=10001&categoryId=9604&storeId=10287&langId=-1&programId=769&termId=100010655&courseId_1=18694834&divisionDisplayName=%20&departmentDisplayName=RELG&courseDisplayName=208&sectionDisplayName=001&demoKey=d&purpose=browse
    [3] http://www.nebraskabookstore.com/
    [4] http://www.amazon.com/Glorious-Marmaduke-William-Pickthall-Translator/dp/1879402513
    [5] http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Glorious-QuRan_W0QQtgZinfoQQprZ266930

  12. Its ironic when westerners try to bash Islam. Its better to look at you own backyard before opening your mouth.

    How many African slaves paid with their life for the sake of your industry.
    How many people were killed for the sake of your democracy.
    How many people were killed for to get oil from Iraq.
    How many people were killed to liberate Vietnam, Iraq, China, South American Countries.

    Its no big deal, you dont find religious fanatics in the west caz most people in the west dont believe in God. But they are fanatics of ideology. For then its a simple chore to kill tens of thousands of people, just to impose their ideology or to get oil/open trade relations. Lol and they are not fanatics.

  13. Amhed,

    I was not ‘bashing Islam.’ I was bashing intolerant youths who are Muslims. There’s a difference.

    To your questions

    Very few, as the industrialized northern states were the first to abolish slavery.

    it would be interesting to compare the number of slaves who did die from working conditions in the north (which I expect is an extremely small number) to, say, the number of Europeans to died in slavery in islamic countries, the number of Africans who died in slavery in Muslim countries, etc.

    How many people were killed for the sake of your democracy.

    According to Wikipedia, you can start with 25,000 patriots [1], and then of course add patriots, British sailors, those who died in simultaneousy fighting against the Britsh Emprie elsewhere in the world [2], and so on.

    How many people were killed for to get oil from Iraq.

    A million, in the Iran-Iraq war alone! [3]

    However, as oil in a commodoity, oil consuming countires are typically best off buying from nearbye sources. Whichi s why American oil tends to come from Canada, Venezuela, and other new world sources.

    How many people were killed to liberate Vietnam, Iraq, China, South American Countries.

    A strange question. Do you consider Zarqawi to be a liberator?

    Its no big deal, you dont find religious fanatics in the west caz most people in the west dont believe in God.

    As this is untrue, I ask you: did you know it was untrue (or lie), or not know (and speak out of ignorance)?

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War#Casualties
    [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Mysore_War
    [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_Wa

  14. I think Dan tdaxp did a good job at answering Amhed’s post but I would like to cover a few points.

    “How many African slaves paid with their life for the sake of your industry” (Amhed)

    This question is quite typical of many people (Muslim or not Muslim) who seem to believe that the West invented slavery. The Islamic world was taking slaves from Africa for hundreds of years before Europeans went anywhere near Africa. In fact, one of the most important reasons Europeans needed a route to India was due to the Turkish control of the Mediterranean and their tendency to enslave Europeans when they sailed there[1]. I suggest that Amhed go do some reading on the “Trans-Saharan Slave Trade,” which featured forced marches from Sub Saharan Africa to the Middle East. In fact, Europeans were introduced to the African slave trade by Muslims[2]. The only thing the West is responsible for–as far as slavery is concerned–is bringing it to an end.

    “Its no big deal, you dont find religious fanatics in the west caz most people in the west dont believe in God.” (Amhed)

    I wish this were true Amhed but unforchunatly its not (especially in America). More than 70% of American don’t believe in evolution. But while this does disappoint me, its not that bad, becuase I’m in no danger from Western Christians for not believing in God(s). Contrast this with Islam, which while having some tolerance for Christianity and Jews, requires death to “non-believers.”

    [1] http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Slaves-Muslim-Masters-Mediterranean/dp/1403945519

    [2] http://africanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa101101a.htm

  15. Ahmed,

    The African slave trade also went East – and for a longer period of time both before and after the Atlantic slave trade existed. Any thoughts on that ?

  16. Even if Ahmed does not contribute to our thread again (easily identifiable Muslims, on this blog at least, are far more likely to one-shot trolls than regular participants), I am thankful for Seerov, Michael, and zenpundit’s excellent replies.

    If Ahmed does choose to comment again — he is more than welcome! His interesting perspective could add a lot to this blog, so I hope he shares his take on these issues with us!

  17. “Even if Ahmed does not contribute to our thread again (easily identifiable Muslims, on this blog at least, are far more likely to one-shot trolls than regular participants)”

    Suicide posters?

  18. Seerov,

    Suicide posters?

    As long as they’re not suicide bombers!

    I’ve received enough death threats both (a) to know which groups are more likely to send them and (b) know that they are too cowardly to carry them out!

    [1] Seerov,

    Suicide posters?

    As long as they’re not suicide bombers!

    I’ve received enough death threats both (a) to know which groups are more likely to send them and (b) know that they are too cowardly to carry them out!

    (Unlike the Russians, who don’t threaten, just kill! [1])

    [1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/02/22/chinese-and-russian-reactions-to-russias-sinking-of-the-chinese-ship-new-star.html#comment-243872

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