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		<title>By: tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is a transcript of the Annita Dunn speech available?</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/13/some-thoughts-on-chas-freeman.html/comment-page-1#comment-319606</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is a transcript of the Annita Dunn speech available?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is just another symptom of a frightening, and stupid, revisionism when it comes to Communist China. Chas Freeman withdrew his name from consideration when his bought-and-paid-for commentary on the Tiananmen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is just another symptom of a frightening, and stupid, revisionism when it comes to Communist China. Chas Freeman withdrew his name from consideration when his bought-and-paid-for commentary on the Tiananmen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/13/some-thoughts-on-chas-freeman.html/comment-page-1#comment-255183</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to read an accurate, non-PC history of New York Jews.  I think it would explain a lot of public reactions, one way or another.  Their relationship (as a community) to the Eastern Establishment would be interesting to know about, including &quot;the whole man&quot; university requirements of a century ago, and its relationship to affirmative action today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to read an accurate, non-PC history of New York Jews.  I think it would explain a lot of public reactions, one way or another.  Their relationship (as a community) to the Eastern Establishment would be interesting to know about, including &#8220;the whole man&#8221; university requirements of a century ago, and its relationship to affirmative action today.</p>
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		<title>By: zenpundit</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/13/some-thoughts-on-chas-freeman.html/comment-page-1#comment-254411</link>
		<dc:creator>zenpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Fifth, the affair reveals considerable anger at Zionists in the American political establishment. I don’t know what the causes or implications of this last point is.”

The establishment has been anti-Israel since before there was an Israel to be against, though only a tedious combing of State Department memoranda, dusty memoirs and private diaries from the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s would demonstrate the degree to which Harry Truman bucked an insular mindset that was virulently anti-semitic as well as having legitimate -if minor at the time, given minimal US interests in the Mideast - realpolitik arguments in 1948. The loss to has never been forgotten or forgiven.

Many of these same Eastern WASP and genteel Southerners looked down their nose at Truman as well and though were quite willing to overlook those of &quot; their own&quot; like Alger Hiss and probably Joseph Davies, Lauchlin Currie, Harry Dexter White and others  who had seriously trucked with Communism and betrayed the United States. This includes Republicans like John Foster Dulles as well as Dean Acheson, both of whom were otherwise fiercely anti-communist.

In a more contemporary vein, Israel is also an aggravating client - high cost, resistant to &quot;instructions&quot; from ambassadors or assistant secretaries, prone to manuever using political hardball to keep it&#039;s freedom of action - the Department of Defense likes the IDF far better than State likes Israel&#039;s foreign ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Fifth, the affair reveals considerable anger at Zionists in the American political establishment. I don’t know what the causes or implications of this last point is.”</p>
<p>The establishment has been anti-Israel since before there was an Israel to be against, though only a tedious combing of State Department memoranda, dusty memoirs and private diaries from the 30&#8217;s and 40&#8217;s would demonstrate the degree to which Harry Truman bucked an insular mindset that was virulently anti-semitic as well as having legitimate -if minor at the time, given minimal US interests in the Mideast &#8211; realpolitik arguments in 1948. The loss to has never been forgotten or forgiven.</p>
<p>Many of these same Eastern WASP and genteel Southerners looked down their nose at Truman as well and though were quite willing to overlook those of &#8221; their own&#8221; like Alger Hiss and probably Joseph Davies, Lauchlin Currie, Harry Dexter White and others  who had seriously trucked with Communism and betrayed the United States. This includes Republicans like John Foster Dulles as well as Dean Acheson, both of whom were otherwise fiercely anti-communist.</p>
<p>In a more contemporary vein, Israel is also an aggravating client &#8211; high cost, resistant to &#8220;instructions&#8221; from ambassadors or assistant secretaries, prone to manuever using political hardball to keep it&#8217;s freedom of action &#8211; the Department of Defense likes the IDF far better than State likes Israel&#8217;s foreign ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: zenpundit</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/13/some-thoughts-on-chas-freeman.html/comment-page-1#comment-254399</link>
		<dc:creator>zenpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fourth, Chas Freeman’s analytical skills don’t extend to an analysis of his own situtation&quot;

Ouch! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fourth, Chas Freeman’s analytical skills don’t extend to an analysis of his own situtation&#8221;</p>
<p>Ouch! <img src='http://www.tdaxp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: purpleslog</title>
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		<dc:creator>purpleslog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fifth, the affair reveals considerable anger at Zionists in the American political establishment. I don’t know what the causes or implications of this last point is.&quot;

This is just the traditional eastern establishment and State Department view. We need less of this view among policy makers, not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fifth, the affair reveals considerable anger at Zionists in the American political establishment. I don’t know what the causes or implications of this last point is.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just the traditional eastern establishment and State Department view. We need less of this view among policy makers, not more.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freeman et al.&#039;s concerns seem parallel to those who opposed Kennedy in 1960, because of a supposed dual-loyalty to Rome.

It&#039;s a form of isolationism, that sees affinity ties with other states as suspect.  Churchill&#039;s enemies laid a similar accusation against him, charging him with a dual-loyalty because of his American heritage.

As the Arab world has far fewer natural ties to the US (except for individuals, the Arab dictatorships have to resort to bribery and financial &quot;support.&quot;  Hence individuals like Freeman.

China is in a position to use both forms of leverage... they paid Freeman, but also potential for affinity connections, too.

(Coincidentally with the current political environment, Sun Yatsen, pictured here [1], had a Hawaiian birth certificate.)

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/12/toward-chinese-taiwanese-military-cooperation.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman et al.&#8217;s concerns seem parallel to those who opposed Kennedy in 1960, because of a supposed dual-loyalty to Rome.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a form of isolationism, that sees affinity ties with other states as suspect.  Churchill&#8217;s enemies laid a similar accusation against him, charging him with a dual-loyalty because of his American heritage.</p>
<p>As the Arab world has far fewer natural ties to the US (except for individuals, the Arab dictatorships have to resort to bribery and financial &#8220;support.&#8221;  Hence individuals like Freeman.</p>
<p>China is in a position to use both forms of leverage&#8230; they paid Freeman, but also potential for affinity connections, too.</p>
<p>(Coincidentally with the current political environment, Sun Yatsen, pictured here [1], had a Hawaiian birth certificate.)</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/12/toward-chinese-taiwanese-military-cooperation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/03/12/toward-chinese-taiwanese-military-cooperation.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent clarification of some bits about the Chinese analysis that nagged at me.

Regarding #5, I think some fear there will be a &quot;gaming&quot; of the intel about Iran to fit the alleged security needs of Israel as dictated through pressure and media manipulation by some Iran war supporters here.

David Broder is sort of a weather vein at times, though he presents it as problem that lobbyists can derail someone, without nailing &quot;Zionists&quot; for it.

The only useful bit Stephen Walt contributed to the Israel lobby argument was his observation that the Indian, Armenian and Mexican lobbies are learning from the success of the Israelis and emulating them. This may be good for those three countries, but may lead often to policy decisions or legislation that is not so good for America.

The Saudis, Russians and Chinese seem to do well enough just lobbying our business groups, who then lobby the politicians. The direct pressure applied in the Israel/India/Armenia/Mexico vein is more obvious and thus may stir up more anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent clarification of some bits about the Chinese analysis that nagged at me.</p>
<p>Regarding #5, I think some fear there will be a &#8220;gaming&#8221; of the intel about Iran to fit the alleged security needs of Israel as dictated through pressure and media manipulation by some Iran war supporters here.</p>
<p>David Broder is sort of a weather vein at times, though he presents it as problem that lobbyists can derail someone, without nailing &#8220;Zionists&#8221; for it.</p>
<p>The only useful bit Stephen Walt contributed to the Israel lobby argument was his observation that the Indian, Armenian and Mexican lobbies are learning from the success of the Israelis and emulating them. This may be good for those three countries, but may lead often to policy decisions or legislation that is not so good for America.</p>
<p>The Saudis, Russians and Chinese seem to do well enough just lobbying our business groups, who then lobby the politicians. The direct pressure applied in the Israel/India/Armenia/Mexico vein is more obvious and thus may stir up more anger.</p>
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