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	<title>Comments on: Zelaya as a Nightmare version of Nixon</title>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/07/05/zelaya-as-a-nightmare-version-of-nixon.html/comment-page-1#comment-292754</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest update from Honduras is that the Constitutional Government announced it seized computers with faked results for the upcoming election [1]

[1] http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/19/1646201/Computerized-Election-Results-With-No-Election</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest update from Honduras is that the Constitutional Government announced it seized computers with faked results for the upcoming election [1]</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/19/1646201/Computerized-Election-Results-With-No-Election" rel="nofollow">http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/19/1646201/Computerized-Election-Results-With-No-Election</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/07/05/zelaya-as-a-nightmare-version-of-nixon.html/comment-page-1#comment-291589</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A look at his domestic support.... big promises to the poor, some follow through, but often with negative side effects.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/14/AR2009071403320.html?hpid=topnews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A look at his domestic support&#8230;. big promises to the poor, some follow through, but often with negative side effects.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/14/AR2009071403320.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/14/AR2009071403320.html?hpid=topnews</a></p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.

Hopefully the agitated minority is marginalized, at least for the time being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>Hopefully the agitated minority is marginalized, at least for the time being.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2009/07/05/zelaya-as-a-nightmare-version-of-nixon.html/comment-page-1#comment-291227</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

 I would not put it past the opposition to create a &quot;martyr&quot; but there was enough of an effort by the gov&#039;t&#039;s newspapers to photoshop images of what happened that day to make me think they were nervous either out of guilt over what happened or a sense of fear of whatever op Chavez&#039;s ppl were running that day. 

 With the media crackdown by the gov&#039;t and the disinformation campaign by Chavez/Zelaya&#039;s side, we probably won&#039;t know the truth. Besides, the 30-35% of the population that supports Zelaya now has its martyr irregardless of whether he was killed by the gov&#039;t (as they believe) or by his own &quot;side&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p> I would not put it past the opposition to create a &#8220;martyr&#8221; but there was enough of an effort by the gov&#8217;t's newspapers to photoshop images of what happened that day to make me think they were nervous either out of guilt over what happened or a sense of fear of whatever op Chavez&#8217;s ppl were running that day. </p>
<p> With the media crackdown by the gov&#8217;t and the disinformation campaign by Chavez/Zelaya&#8217;s side, we probably won&#8217;t know the truth. Besides, the 30-35% of the population that supports Zelaya now has its martyr irregardless of whether he was killed by the gov&#8217;t (as they believe) or by his own &#8220;side&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
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		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie,

I&#039;m not sure if the army killed a demonstrator. I&#039;ve heard that as a rumor, and also a rumor that the army only had blanks, and the bullet was non-army-caliber anyway.

Chavez launched two failed coups in Venezuela before he began his current destruction of that state. The Constitutional powers of Honduras are right to want to limit Zelaya&#039;s freedom of movement as much as possible.

Edgewise,

I ran into a Twitter troll on this issue, but not Zenpundit&#039;s guest. Good for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the army killed a demonstrator. I&#8217;ve heard that as a rumor, and also a rumor that the army only had blanks, and the bullet was non-army-caliber anyway.</p>
<p>Chavez launched two failed coups in Venezuela before he began his current destruction of that state. The Constitutional powers of Honduras are right to want to limit Zelaya&#8217;s freedom of movement as much as possible.</p>
<p>Edgewise,</p>
<p>I ran into a Twitter troll on this issue, but not Zenpundit&#8217;s guest. Good for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Edgewise.Sigma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgewise.Sigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if that annoying troll (going by the name of &quot;johnboswell&quot;) on Zenpundit has seen this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if that annoying troll (going by the name of &#8220;johnboswell&#8221;) on Zenpundit has seen this.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Economist chimes in with this:

&quot;Honduras’s new government finds itself friendless beyond its borders. Restoring Mr Zelaya to office should not be impossible. It will require economic pressure but also some kind of deal with Mr Micheletti’s regime, perhaps involving an early election. Honduras’s neighbours should help in this respect, as should the United States, which has considerable influence in Honduras and a strong interest in a stable, democratic Central America. By his forthright condemnation of the coup Mr Obama has ensured that he will not be outflanked by Mr Chávez over Honduras. The more difficult question for Latin America is how to prevent over-mighty presidents from undermining their own democratic institutions.&quot;

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13944740

Right now, the Honduran gov&#039;t is running the risk of immense int&#039;l isolation as dictated by their own mistakes. They just killed a demonstrator with live ammunition (a no-no even for dictators like Chavez, who understands the importance of martyrs to causes), something that will further alienate the 30% or so of the population that still supports Zelaya. 

Now why do I see the gov&#039;t as having to back down and accept Zelaya&#039;s return (if just to be in office long enough to be voted out in a month or so)? The business community in Honduras cannot survive in a state of isolation for much longer, especially with times being as tough as they already were. Its a delusion to assume rich business interests and other figures with money in the current gov&#039;t are going to risk their financial futures over a procedural matter (Zelaya&#039;s ouster by vote being all but guaranteed if he returns).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Economist chimes in with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Honduras’s new government finds itself friendless beyond its borders. Restoring Mr Zelaya to office should not be impossible. It will require economic pressure but also some kind of deal with Mr Micheletti’s regime, perhaps involving an early election. Honduras’s neighbours should help in this respect, as should the United States, which has considerable influence in Honduras and a strong interest in a stable, democratic Central America. By his forthright condemnation of the coup Mr Obama has ensured that he will not be outflanked by Mr Chávez over Honduras. The more difficult question for Latin America is how to prevent over-mighty presidents from undermining their own democratic institutions.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13944740" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13944740</a></p>
<p>Right now, the Honduran gov&#8217;t is running the risk of immense int&#8217;l isolation as dictated by their own mistakes. They just killed a demonstrator with live ammunition (a no-no even for dictators like Chavez, who understands the importance of martyrs to causes), something that will further alienate the 30% or so of the population that still supports Zelaya. </p>
<p>Now why do I see the gov&#8217;t as having to back down and accept Zelaya&#8217;s return (if just to be in office long enough to be voted out in a month or so)? The business community in Honduras cannot survive in a state of isolation for much longer, especially with times being as tough as they already were. Its a delusion to assume rich business interests and other figures with money in the current gov&#8217;t are going to risk their financial futures over a procedural matter (Zelaya&#8217;s ouster by vote being all but guaranteed if he returns).</p>
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