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	<description>Because I say so</description>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/21/some-notes-on-class-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-1175446</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Michael,

The tweets were a pretty big deal -- even Spike Lee was involved in that imbroglio!

I generally view those personally very successful, such as Al Sharpton, as being rational. But it&#039;s in their strategic interest to look like fools to their adversaries..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Michael,</p>
<p>The tweets were a pretty big deal &#8212; even Spike Lee was involved in that imbroglio!</p>
<p>I generally view those personally very successful, such as Al Sharpton, as being rational. But it&#8217;s in their strategic interest to look like fools to their adversaries..</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/21/some-notes-on-class-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-1175193</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 00:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A) I didn&#039;t know about the tweets, Al Sharpton wasn&#039;t the one who arrested him and that arrest and indictment was what they were ostensibly pushing for all along.

B) To a certain extent, we&#039;re both assuming a degree of rationality--it becomes harder to talk logically about motivations and resulting actions when the subject isn&#039;t rational.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) I didn&#8217;t know about the tweets, Al Sharpton wasn&#8217;t the one who arrested him and that arrest and indictment was what they were ostensibly pushing for all along.</p>
<p>B) To a certain extent, we&#8217;re both assuming a degree of rationality&#8211;it becomes harder to talk logically about motivations and resulting actions when the subject isn&#8217;t rational.</p>
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		<title>By: tdaxp</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/21/some-notes-on-class-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-1175121</link>
		<dc:creator>tdaxp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Larry,

It&#039;s hard for me to understand your comment.

You split a hair, arguing that &#039;worth&#039; means either positive or negative worth, when that is not the normal meaning of the word.

I don&#039;t understand the second half of your comment at all.

Michael,

I&#039;m not sure I agree with your comment. Some of it seems simply false (&quot;wasn’t subjected (that I’ve noticed, at least) to an escalation of harassment&quot; -- his parents home address was tweeted and he was arrested for murder!). Others are exactly what you would expect if Sharpton et al are rational and want to emphasize that hispanics are weak. (Why provide hispanics a rallying point by picking on someone named, say, Jose Gonzales?).

Except for the lumpenproletariat and scandlemongers, I doubt much violence comes from the political aspects of black-white conflict. It wouldn&#039;t make sense from a power-transition stand-point. [1]

[1] http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/23/the-cartel.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Larry,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to understand your comment.</p>
<p>You split a hair, arguing that &#8216;worth&#8217; means either positive or negative worth, when that is not the normal meaning of the word.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the second half of your comment at all.</p>
<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your comment. Some of it seems simply false (&#8220;wasn’t subjected (that I’ve noticed, at least) to an escalation of harassment&#8221; &#8212; his parents home address was tweeted and he was arrested for murder!). Others are exactly what you would expect if Sharpton et al are rational and want to emphasize that hispanics are weak. (Why provide hispanics a rallying point by picking on someone named, say, Jose Gonzales?).</p>
<p>Except for the lumpenproletariat and scandlemongers, I doubt much violence comes from the political aspects of black-white conflict. It wouldn&#8217;t make sense from a power-transition stand-point. [1]</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/23/the-cartel.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/23/the-cartel.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/21/some-notes-on-class-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-1174285</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One problem with your hypothesis: Zimmerman doesn&#039;t have a Spanish last name, doesn&#039;t look stereotypically Hispanic and and wasn&#039;t subjected (that I&#039;ve noticed, at least) to an escalation of harassment as the details of his ancestry were advertised. Note that, while it is possible that whoever disseminated those details was motivated as you&#039;ve described , it is also possible that it was disseminated by a supporter trying to argue for his non-racism by virtue of his ancestry; I don&#039;t know how that news got out, so I couldn&#039;t say.

To whatever extent Rev. Sharpton and others have ulterior motives, I&#039;m more inclined to look for perpetuation of older Black-White conflict narratives and regional rivalries between northern/urban lefties and southern/rural righties. To whatever extent anti-Hispanic prejudice exists amongst Black elites, I&#039;d be inclined to look for it in anti-illegal immigration histeria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with your hypothesis: Zimmerman doesn&#8217;t have a Spanish last name, doesn&#8217;t look stereotypically Hispanic and and wasn&#8217;t subjected (that I&#8217;ve noticed, at least) to an escalation of harassment as the details of his ancestry were advertised. Note that, while it is possible that whoever disseminated those details was motivated as you&#8217;ve described , it is also possible that it was disseminated by a supporter trying to argue for his non-racism by virtue of his ancestry; I don&#8217;t know how that news got out, so I couldn&#8217;t say.</p>
<p>To whatever extent Rev. Sharpton and others have ulterior motives, I&#8217;m more inclined to look for perpetuation of older Black-White conflict narratives and regional rivalries between northern/urban lefties and southern/rural righties. To whatever extent anti-Hispanic prejudice exists amongst Black elites, I&#8217;d be inclined to look for it in anti-illegal immigration histeria.</p>
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		<title>By: larrydunbar</title>
		<link>http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2012/04/21/some-notes-on-class-in-america.html/comment-page-1#comment-1174145</link>
		<dc:creator>larrydunbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Lumpenproletariat, criminals and rascals who are of no economic value.&quot;

First you are wrong that criminals and rascals are of no economic value. 

Then again, maybe you simply miss-defined Lumpenproletariat and you meant that Lumpenproletariat are those who have no economic value within this society, what ever that means. 

Under a capitalistic society everyone has worth, because a negative is just as powerful as a positive. 

I suppose as a communist this is something you would be inclined to debate. 

However, as a capitalist, of any worth, you should be able to understand that it is just as easy to take advantage of someone who rents as well as someone that owns. Owners are spatial oriented, while renter are velocity oriented.

As we well know, capitalist are predators, someone who can take advantage of a stationary object as well as one in motion, something that Marx didn&#039;t understand as a member of the academia.

A predator uses terror (lynching) as a way, not a means to an end. In that context, no one wanted to lynch Zimmerman, as a way to the end. It is probably more accurate to say that some wanted to kill him, and deny God, while other just wanted him arrested.

The means of capitalists within a society is to simply take control of an economy, which is not a matter of race.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Lumpenproletariat, criminals and rascals who are of no economic value.&#8221;</p>
<p>First you are wrong that criminals and rascals are of no economic value. </p>
<p>Then again, maybe you simply miss-defined Lumpenproletariat and you meant that Lumpenproletariat are those who have no economic value within this society, what ever that means. </p>
<p>Under a capitalistic society everyone has worth, because a negative is just as powerful as a positive. </p>
<p>I suppose as a communist this is something you would be inclined to debate. </p>
<p>However, as a capitalist, of any worth, you should be able to understand that it is just as easy to take advantage of someone who rents as well as someone that owns. Owners are spatial oriented, while renter are velocity oriented.</p>
<p>As we well know, capitalist are predators, someone who can take advantage of a stationary object as well as one in motion, something that Marx didn&#8217;t understand as a member of the academia.</p>
<p>A predator uses terror (lynching) as a way, not a means to an end. In that context, no one wanted to lynch Zimmerman, as a way to the end. It is probably more accurate to say that some wanted to kill him, and deny God, while other just wanted him arrested.</p>
<p>The means of capitalists within a society is to simply take control of an economy, which is not a matter of race.</p>
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