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Democratic Underground features tdaxp!

I’ve criticized Democratic Underground before, but mad props to DU for shouting-out tdaxp!


Some comments on the tdaxp article “4GPS1 v 4GPS2 (Netroots Think 4GPS1 Is More Important)

karynnj (1000+ posts) says:

It puts into very elegant form what many hear have argued about Kos. The most serious thing is that it’s likely not just Kerry. Kos will likely continue doing this. It’s interesting that the analysis posits that Kerry’s positions expand the party, Kos’s will continually shrink it to get to the perfectly pure people they agree with.

whometense (1000+ posts) says:

His technical political terminology slowed me down a bit, but I find his diagrams fascinating. It’s the first thing I’ve read (though probably there’s a lot out there that political scientists are aware of) that demonstrates the lefty freeper phenomenon in a scientific way.

beachmom (749 posts) says:

That diagram is disheartening, isn’t it? The media hasn’t really picked up on this too much, so hopefully nobody will know how bad the underbelly of our rank and file has gotten . . .

globalvillage (1000+ posts) says:

I can’t decide if the writer is correct, that kos and his ilk are intentionally subverting liberals and moderate Dems for some narrow ideological purpose, or if his ego is just so massive that he can’t stand to be wrong (bush* syndrome)and lashes out in response like a child having a tantrum. Whatever his motivation, this absolutely describes the result.
But the diagrams are particularly fascinating. Like someone snapped a photo of the left and the freepers, pixellated it and blew the dots up really big. That one with the big X through is is scary.

The diagram that got so much attention.


Read the tdaxp original, or the Democratic Underground reaction.

Democratic Underground on Depatriation of Black Babies

Foreigners Adopting More African-American Babies,” by Kimberly Russel, Voice of America, http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-03-01-voa1.cfm, 1 March 2005.

part of the problem is Americans fear losing their child to birth parents,” by JI7, Democratic Underground, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×1273679#1273870, 1 March 2005.

The U.S. State Department says the number of couples adopting American babies from other countries has more than doubled over the last decade. At the same time some Americans don’t adopt babies from other countries, saying there’s a lack of babies up for adoption in the United States. But in reality, there are plenty of American babies who need a home. Most of them are African-American.

Allison Drake and Earl Stroud wanted to adopt a child. For a White baby, they would have had to wait for several years. Allison and Earl live in Ottawa, Canada. They did not have to wait to adopt Ethan, who is from Chicago, Illinois, where more than 80 percent of babies available for adoption are Black.

Increasingly, Black children are finding homes in Germany, France and especially Canada, which puzzles Earl Stroud.

I just don’t understand why American couples go to China and Romania and places like that, when they have kids in their own backyard,” says Mr. Stroud.

My first response was blank silence. And then a statement that must be the rarest in the English language: “Democratic Underground has an insightful post explaining this”:

part of the problem is Americans fear losing their child to birth parents

because of the laws in this country.

that’s why many go overseas to adopt.

those videos of adoptive parents having to return their crying adopted children to the birth parents are very powerful also. nobody wants to go through that.

Exactly right. American justice has consistently made domestic adoption a worse and worse choice. From quasi-genocidal horrors like the Indian Child Welfare Act to Ann Landers-inspired laws making it easy for adoptees to discover birth parents to plain lawsuits, America has enacted high internal tarrifs against adoption.

If multinational adoption prevents flip-flop parents from traumatizing samaritans’ lives, good.

Party of Jackson v. Democratic Underground

Sen. Clinton Urges Punishment For Syria Discussion Thread,” by Devlin Barrett, “chlamor,” et al, Democratic Underground, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×1276161#1276340, 1 March 2005.

Al From says Dems must ‘reject Michael Moore and the MoveOn crowd’ Discussion Thread,” by Elizabeth Wilner, “RealDems,” et al, Democratic Underground, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×1630278#1630677, 1 March 2005.

Almost as sexy as a Korean phone model, a Super Bowl ad model, or a Secretary of State… a liberal war hawk

Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called Tuesday for tougher punishment against Syria, saying the country was aggressively supporting terrorism in the “dangerous neighborhood” of the Middle East.

In lambasting Syria, Clinton joined a growing chorus of officials in Washington urging the United States to take a harsher stance against that country following a Feb. 14 bombing in Beirut that killed the former premier of Lebanon.

Both Iran and Syria were cause for alarm, but Clinton said Syria deserved special attention.

“I’ve been particularly troubled by the Syrians’ aggressive posture,” said Clinton. “We need to send a very clear message that we will not tolerate what we believe to be and have reason to know is the continuing support for terrorism that comes out of Syria and Iran.”

Clinton, considered an early front-runner for her party’s nomination to the White House in 2008, has asked the Bush administration to toughen economic sanctions against Syria.

She was followed to the stage by Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who hinted that Syrian President Bashar Assad may find it difficult to hold onto power amid the push for greater democracy in neighboring Lebanon.

Not that DUers are happy about it


Hilary, guess what?
They have room in the Hague for you too. And your cell is being prepared.


We have our own legal system in place to punish war criminals like her when the day comes. And when that day comes I will be celebrating.

Ironically, the paranoid are more civilized. Maybe they believe the rude are sent to Gitmo?


Or a prelude?
To her version of…”The Draft“?

Meanwhile, the call to purge Michael Moore and MoveOn

You’ve got to reject Michael Moore and the MoveOn crowd,” DLC CEO Al From said in an interview about how the Democratic Party should rebuild after 2004. From argued that the anti-war Moore and MoveOn have hurt the party on national security, the issue which he says the party needs to make “central to our cause.” Rank-and-file Democrats “are more like us than MoveOn,” which From called a group of “elites, people who sit in their basements all the time and play on their computers.”


who the hell is this clown ?
I will respect repukes when they respect humanity,till them Al go join the the neocons and admit that you are a clueless sell out<.

And, again, the politely paranoid…

Hell Hath No Party:

My signature line…
says it all about ol’ Al and his ilk.

I have become utterly convinced through the amazing reseach done here by many DUers that the current incarnation of the DLC and its leadership is a backdoor attempt by the RW powers that be to further destroy the Democratic Party of the people, and create one ruling elite under the guise of two parties.

Last but not least, the ever-mandatory “Republicans are Anti-American”


Fuck him. How DARE his corporate appeasement, anti-American
ass, try to devide the party using opposition talking points.

and “Republicans are Nazis” comments


Social Democrat: “Must show more respect for Hitler and Nazi Party”
Thats what Al From sounds like to me. Like a Social Democrat in Weimar Republic Germany urging his party to show Hitler and the National Socialists more respect.

The Isolationist Left

Even if this were true,” by “patsified,” Democratic Underground, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1196550&mesg_id=1196634&page=, 30 January 2005.

I don’t typically reply to individual posts from Democratic Underground here. The forum moderators are quite aggressive and the posts are not “fringe” for DU’s moderating community. However, one struck me showing exactly what is wrong with the isolationist Left. It also struck them, which is how it was linked to on the front page of the Daou Report.

Even if all the Iraqis in the world are jumping up and down and clapping and dancing and crying for joy; even if there were really and truly 100% turnout for this election; even if the winner of this election were truly the choice to represent the majority of all Iraqis:

Was this worth destroying the United States of America? Was this worth sending our nation tumbling into the toilet? Was this worth destroying our reputation and the worth of our word in the world? Were the lies worth it? Was this worth the billions and billions of dollars emptied from our nation’s treasury? Was the enrichment of Halliburton and the Carlyle Group worth it? Was this worth the bloodshed of soldiers and of innocents? Was it worth losing your arms, little Ali? Was there NO OTHER WAY to have achieved this? Am I supposed to jump up and down and clap and dance and cry for joy that MY nation has been turned into a shitpile and everyone in the world hates MY nation now? There is no democracy here in America, but I am supposed to be overwhelmed with good cheer that it exists for the Iraqis?

Reading this, I was trying to answer it in my head. “I don’t care if military contractors get rich,” I thought. “Every war requires treasure,” I thought. But her last paragraph sums everything up

I can’t think of a single cause outside of the borders of my country that would be worth destroying my country for. And that’s what has happened, I don’t care how happy the Iraqis are. I mourn what my country has become, and I am bitter because I know what she could have been. So I’m sorry if I can’t join in the joy today.

Let us hope our country is never destroyed. Let us hope that a wicked enemy never occupies our land or blockades our ports. Let us hope the White House is never again burned down and we never again fight conventional battles in our cities.

No one so embodied the poster’s cowardice like Lord Halifax. After Chamberlain’s resignation Lord Halifax could have become Prime Minister of Britain and ended the war. Thank God he realized his weakness and allowed Churchill to lead the British in the air and on the beaches.

Isolationists with introspection are bad enough. Millions might have been saved if Halifax opposed Germany sooner. Isolationists withouch such knowledge of themseleves are simply dangerous.