Chinese-Taiwanese Cooperation

Taiwan will be joining the World Health Assembly as an observer. Commentary available from The View from Taiwan and The Weekly Standard.

LIkewise, China and Taiwan are signing an extradition pact, that is necessary as business and travel between the mainland and Taiwan are increasing. Interestingly, while Taiwan will be obliged to return corrupt Communist Party officials to China, China will not be obliged to return corrupt Nationalist Party officials to Taiwan. The View from Taiwan thinks this was at the suggestion of the KMT itself. (Like Tim Geithner’s Treasury Department or the politburo, the KMT is very comfortable with corruption among friends.)

Meanwhile, the American Republicans try to stir up trouble by suggesting China spend more on national defense.

Relatedly, Tom notes that Chinese banks may be coming to Taiwan. Many of these banks (such as the Bank of China, the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, and the China Construction Bank) are not zombies, unlike America’s financial insitutions.

15 thoughts on “Chinese-Taiwanese Cooperation”

  1. Chinese billions in Sri Lanka fund battle against Tamil Tigers
    “The Chinese say that Hambantota is a purely commercial venture, but many US and Indian military planners regard it as part of a “string of pearls” strategy under which China is also building or upgrading ports at Gwadar in Pakistan, Chittagong in Bangladesh and Sittwe in Burma”

    Because the Chinese see India as a threat Pakistan has somewhere to go if it leaves the US orbit.

  2. Lere

    That is why India should buy F-18s instead of Su-30s since the United States is quite willing to throw in the recently decommissioned aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk into the bargain for free. The US would probably throw in several hundred free F-4 Phantoms that are currently sitting in the desert as well.

    With a more powerful aircraft carrier than either Russia or China possess, India would be able to counter any Pakistan-Sri Lanka-Bangla Desh-China cooperation that was hostile to Indian interests.

  3. Russia is a natural ally of India, being on the far side of China, just as China is a natural ally of Pakistan. It will require India and Russia backed by the US to balance the Chinese if they continue to grow at anything like the same rate.

    The Chinese are ‘fishing in troubled waters’ (as the Indians said) all over the world. Sudan’s actions in Darfur are due to China backing them. The Chinese are squeezing everyone else out of the resource rich third world because they’ll supply weapons without worrying about human rights violations.

  4. Russia is a natural ally of India, being on the far side of China, just as China is a natural ally of Pakistan.

    This is true only if you believe that hostility is the natural relationship between neighboring countries. That is certainly the way Russia believes and that is why Russia’s neighbors are so anxious to join NATO. China has its interests and India has its own interests. I don’t see any reason why those interests have to conflict. Russia, on the other hand, with its declining population is going to lose Siberia to China within the next few decades. I can see why Russia would be trying to encourage a military confrontation between Russia and India but that is not really in either of those country’s interest.

    China has traditionally been a land power. They are more likely to pick up pieces of the old Soviet Union into their sphere of influence than to go looking for trouble across the ocean.

  5. I’m inclined to agree with Mark; unless one or both countries are taken over by religious fundamentalists, the rivalry between India and China is more likely to be Great Game style than Cold War. There is room for cooperation on matters of mutual interest.

    That said, the thought coming out of my ass is that the question of Carrier superiority is a little more complicated. On the one hand, the our Carrier technology is superior and we can afford to provide lots of fighter jets to accompany it. On the other hand, the Russians have putting out fighters for years that are as agile as the F-22 or F-35; I wouldn’t place bets on the outcome of an air war between India and China so readily.

    If I was India, I’d take the US up on that offer, then do the same to France (at one point, the CHARLES DE GAULLE was being offered to them) and buy as much of Russia’s naval nuclear power as they’re willing to sell. That gives three Carriers of varying levels of capability, three different sets of technology to be reverse engineered and cherry picked and improved relations with three major powers.

  6. Thanks for the great comments!

    Lere,

    China definitely wants to be friends with Sri Lanka, and security is doubtless part of that.

    China is lucky that she does not have a crazy neighbor like Pakistan geared for war with her. Therefore, India is too distracted to play the role of regional hegemon which would otherwise fall to her.

    That said, Pakistan is an old cold war ally of both the United States and India, so I think your comment that “Because the Chinese see India as a threat Pakistan has somewhere to go if it leaves the US orbit.” is not that informative. Both China and the US have historically meen pro-Pakistani and anti-Indian. The collapse of Pakistan and reform in India have lead both Beijing and Washington to adjust to a world where India is a productive trade partner and potential regional hegemon.

    Mark in Texas,

    The major benefit of buying from Russia is that, because of Russia’s weakness, they have no coherent policy on who they will sell weapons to. India can be much more certain that Russia will not cut her off. By contrast, the US slapped sanctions on India after the nuclear tests in the 1990s.

    Michael,

    I’m inclined to agree with Mark; unless one or both countries are taken over by religious fundamentalists, the rivalry between India and China is more likely to be Great Game style than Cold War. There is room for cooperation on matters of mutual interest.

    Well said.

    That said, the thought coming out of my ass is that the question of Carrier superiority is a little more complicated. On the one hand, the our Carrier technology is superior and we can afford to provide lots of fighter jets to accompany it. On the other hand, the Russians have putting out fighters for years that are as agile as the F-22 or F-35; I wouldn’t place bets on the outcome of an air war between India and China so readily.

    Could you say more about this? I did not know the Russians had the resources to make original designs comparable to our stealth fighters.

    If I was India, I’d take the US up on that offer, then do the same to France (at one point, the CHARLES DE GAULLE was being offered to them) and buy as much of Russia’s naval nuclear power as they’re willing to sell. That gives three Carriers of varying levels of capability, three different sets of technology to be reverse engineered and cherry picked and improved relations with three major powers.

    Sounds like a solid plan!

  7. While you’re looking at this, look up “cobra maneuver” as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

    If China becomes equipped with 4++ and 5th generation Russian craft like the ones mentioned in these articles, India will have a tough time beating them with F-4s and F-18s. On the plus side, buying the CHARLES DE GAULLE may allow them to fly Dassault Rafales (see 2nd article) and they might be able to buy some Sukhois of their own as well.

    An air war between the two countries would be messy:(

  8. Michael,

    From the Wiki page:

    Although there is no reliable information about the PAK FA’s specifications yet, it is known from interviews with people in the Russian Air Force that it will be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, be outfitted with the next generation of air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and incorporate an AESA radar

    So one one hand we have a lack of any observable progress whatsoever, and on the other we have Russian hopes and dreams!

    Forgive me if I don’t take the Russians too seriously!

  9. True enough. The cobra maneuver has been witnessed by outsiders (including myself via the news), though. Even if the PAK FA is a pipe dream, there’s still lots of planes out there that would give F-4 and F-18 pilots a lot of trouble.

  10. Hmm, didn’t notice the F-18 HARV was on the list:P Well if those-with appropriate thrust vectoring added- are what we give the Indians, then their prospects in an air war look up.

    We’re kinda splitting hairs at this point, though. Presumably, both China and India will buy a lot of fighters from a variety of sources (if not design and build their own) long before they go to war with each other.

  11. Michael,

    Good point.

    The goal of our economic integration of the world is to stop those kind of wars altogether. Let’s hope it works!

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